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Old 03-16-2011, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Now you are seeing things. I just answered a question, and I am sorry to report, as much as it would suit you, I have no agenda expect to see us unify under ALPA. Why? Because long term it is in our best interests. No more, no less.
I agree that unity is a very important part of the equation (although definitely not the only part). But that brings me right back to the point I was making in my post that prompted the 'if you're so smart, why don't you run for office' question:

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Having the structure in place isn't enough. It has to be used effectively to be of any value. You aren't going to get the kind of unity you're looking for with weak leadership and a lack of any real, compelling objective. DAL management went for the throat and tried to destroy our careers during BK. And now that the BK/emergency has been over for several years, they refuse to even lift a finger to try and make it right. Even worse, DALPA refuses to so much as ASK them to make it right. Unity will fall into place nicely when it is clear that we can rally around the objective of correcting this. But it ain't gonna happen with Lee Moak type leaders and with people like yourself, who rationalize every excuse they can find not to fight for it.
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Old 03-16-2011, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
Let's say ACL is right, and we have two guys that get the text messages contiuously, because they're younger than you, and they have the technolgy... In that case, whenever there is a MEC meeting, it could be standard practice for the reps to come back and give us confirmation we're in compliance. That would be plenty. I don't need a full report at monthly intervals.
FWIW, they do give a report to the MEC Council on compliance.
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Old 03-16-2011, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
So, which one of them DISCOVERED the increased gross weight issue?

The Chairman. They were working the issue when a few of us brought pictures to them. No kidding..
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Old 03-16-2011, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
I agree that unity is a very important part of the equation (although definitely not the only part). But that brings me right back to the point I was making in my post that prompted the 'if you're so smart, why don't you run for office' question:

DAL88, and that is why I see all of these issues as personnel issues and not a ALPA structure issue. The overall structure of ALPA is just fine, and for those items that need changing, there is a mechanism in place.
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Old 03-16-2011, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
HHHMMMMMMMM...Interesting..Borat would be pleased.

TYG
To say the least. Lots of horse meat served in those parts.
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Old 03-16-2011, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
To say the least. Lots of horse meat served in those parts.
I have already seen plates for Paris...

They are divert fields.. nothing to see here except that one is listed.. (I think)... as a recurring charter flight...
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Old 03-16-2011, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
The Chairman. They were working the issue when a few of us brought pictures to them. No kidding..

And you wonder what fosters the mistrust?
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Old 03-16-2011, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
And you wonder what fosters the mistrust?
The Chairman of code share compliance, sorry, should have been more specific. It was already on their desk.

Then again, it is also our duty as ALPA pilots to defend our own contract, and help with compliance. This was the case as I recall it from the Pinnacle PA announcements. It gotten taken care of because of proof, and that proof was then used to go to the company and order a cease and desist. The process works, and it works quicker when we all know our PWA.
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Old 03-16-2011, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
I have already seen plates for Paris...

That is kidneys!
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Old 03-16-2011, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
The Chairman of code share compliance, sorry, should have been more specific. It was already on their desk.

Then again, it is also our duty as ALPA pilots to defend our own contract, and help with compliance. This was the case as I recall it from the Pinnacle PA announcements. It gotten taken care of because of proof, and that proof was then used to go to the company and order a cease and desist. The process works, and it works quicker when we all know our PWA.
You already said that since there is sensitive info, we are not privy to the JV agreement. So we have to "trust" those that do... Whether or not we all know the PWA is becoming increasing irrelevant in cases like these.
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