Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-16-2011, 10:06 AM
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No. The question didn't bother me at all. I have no problem justifying my answer to it. I was simply pointing out that you are out of line jumping in and answering a question for me like that. It is presumptuous, disrespectful, and like I said, none of your business.
03-16-2011, 10:08 AM
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03-16-2011, 10:09 AM
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Yep. And any comprehensive TA needs to be presented without section 3. We first MEMRAT the TA without section 3, then, only if that passes, do we have another MEMRAT on the same TA with section 3. Both should have to pass and the MEC/NC should have zero problems sending it to us like that, unless they are planning on blindsiding us with a gold plated section 3 and holes elsewhere like 250+ large dual class RJ's, a 737 domestic coast to coast DCI knock off, treating Jet Airways like equals WRT ASM's, possible "company friendly" F&DT provisions that allow reduced crews if regs are changed to allow it, and other pesky fine print.
Get the other stuff right first, THEN send us section 3 to vote for, with SWA rates being the floor for MD80/737 sized equipment and up from there.
Get the other stuff right first, THEN send us section 3 to vote for, with SWA rates being the floor for MD80/737 sized equipment and up from there.
There is possibly some complications in the RLA that would have to be worked around, and there will likely be a big pushback from people with NC experience. One other thing is that it opens pandora's box of having MEMRAT for every single section....That can get lengthy and expensive for the union, but it would be up to each pilot group. The one thing I see if you start separating pass/fail votes on different sections, it makes it easier to fragment the pilot group....Scope is more important to junior pilots, retirement is more important to senior pilots, depending on how the company structures each offer, they have opportunities to really divide and conquer us. There may be ways to structure it to avoid that, who knows.
I would be willing to talk more, PM if truly interested.
03-16-2011, 10:09 AM
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03-16-2011, 10:10 AM
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Is it just me, or does it seem that few of the people on this forum are grasping the fact that there has been MAJOR turnover in the LEC ranks, which has resulted in ousting many long-term reps and installing VOTING reps that are very vocal and clearly not happy with the statsu quo?
There is much discontent in the makeup of the LEC's, they were elected on the fuel of discontent that is all over the pilot group. I'm very confident in the direction that my new reps have started off and the systems they are putting in place to right the ship and make the union more transparent and more effective in dealing with the issues facing the pilots of Delta Air Lines.
We'll see the reality when the Sec. 6 openers are exchanged and the tone that the union sets in regards to unifying the pilots. I'm willing to give this group the opportunity to show that our unhappiness and our votes for new leadership were effective and that the message is heard loud and clear to all.
There is much discontent in the makeup of the LEC's, they were elected on the fuel of discontent that is all over the pilot group. I'm very confident in the direction that my new reps have started off and the systems they are putting in place to right the ship and make the union more transparent and more effective in dealing with the issues facing the pilots of Delta Air Lines.
We'll see the reality when the Sec. 6 openers are exchanged and the tone that the union sets in regards to unifying the pilots. I'm willing to give this group the opportunity to show that our unhappiness and our votes for new leadership were effective and that the message is heard loud and clear to all.
03-16-2011, 10:12 AM
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Like I said, file a grievance and start the process. If you want a group grievance, go for it. Prior to going to the company though, the Contract Admin will lay out the case with the lawyers and give you the facts. After this has transpired, maybe people will understand why it is the way it is.
Just because it is this way does not mean I like it. If you recall, I was irked when RJET bought MEH, and wanted what you want. I read the facts and was shown the reality of the situation.
Best one can hope for is that they go down to one certificate, or jets larger than 76 seats are operated on a certificate that operates our flying. To date that is not happening.
As for CHQ flying and the 145, they do not fly jets larger than 76 seats.
Just because it is this way does not mean I like it. If you recall, I was irked when RJET bought MEH, and wanted what you want. I read the facts and was shown the reality of the situation.
Best one can hope for is that they go down to one certificate, or jets larger than 76 seats are operated on a certificate that operates our flying. To date that is not happening.
As for CHQ flying and the 145, they do not fly jets larger than 76 seats.
You seem to be taking a beating on here nowadays. You have to understand that no one on here is afraid of interacting with the union to make things better. Many of us have tried, some have succeeded, others have chosen to find other ways to advance our profession.
Our problem is that the positions you state seem to mirror the positions of the union and we don't like them. As pilots, we hate inaction in the face of a perceived wrong. We hate the notion of just giving up and accepting things without a fight.
How is it that you and the union can predetermine what a neutral third party might determine? How is it that you know that the K Admin will lay out the case with the lawyers, give me the facts, and then somehow maybe I will understand why it is the way it is?
It just seems that things are a little too "predetermined" around here.
If things are they way they are, and many Delta pilots don't like the way it is, then it's time to find a way to change how we operate.
03-16-2011, 10:18 AM
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Is it just me, or does it seem that few of the people on this forum are grasping the fact that there has been MAJOR turnover in the LEC ranks, which has resulted in ousting many long-term reps and installing VOTING reps that are very vocal and clearly not happy with the statsu quo?
There is much discontent in the makeup of the LEC's, they were elected on the fuel of discontent that is all over the pilot group. I'm very confident in the direction that my new reps have started off and the systems they are putting in place to right the ship and make the union more transparent and more effective in dealing with the issues facing the pilots of Delta Air Lines.
We'll see the reality when the Sec. 6 openers are exchanged and the tone that the union sets in regards to unifying the pilots. I'm willing to give this group the opportunity to show that our unhappiness and our votes for new leadership were effective and that the message is heard loud and clear to all.
There is much discontent in the makeup of the LEC's, they were elected on the fuel of discontent that is all over the pilot group. I'm very confident in the direction that my new reps have started off and the systems they are putting in place to right the ship and make the union more transparent and more effective in dealing with the issues facing the pilots of Delta Air Lines.
We'll see the reality when the Sec. 6 openers are exchanged and the tone that the union sets in regards to unifying the pilots. I'm willing to give this group the opportunity to show that our unhappiness and our votes for new leadership were effective and that the message is heard loud and clear to all.
Initially it was our own union that opposed the change in how we're paid, the "what are we willing to give up/not worth it/go pound sand" crowd.
Only after someone opened their eyes to compound interest over 30 years on a paycheck that is 2 weeks late did they consider presenting it to the company. Ironically the company response was "sure, we'll do it"
It's that type of stuff that makes it hard sometimes to see who is working for who's interest...
Cheers
George
03-16-2011, 10:25 AM
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No. The question didn't bother me at all. I have no problem justifying my answer to it. I was simply pointing out that you are out of line jumping in and answering a question for me like that. It is presumptuous, disrespectful, and like I said, none of your business.
03-16-2011, 10:25 AM
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I'm gonna give this a modest thumbs up... but... I am pretty sure that we don't need AF's permission to fly BOS-CDG, but I guess we are getting their unused rights to fly into LHR, so I guess this is OK. And personally, I know that MCO is not a big money maker since it is the #1 tourist destination in this or any other solar system... so I would rather make higher yield elsewhere...
03-16-2011, 10:32 AM
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I'm gonna give this a modest thumbs up... but... I am pretty sure that we don't need AF's permission to fly BOS-CDG, but I guess we are getting their unused rights to fly into LHR, so I guess this is OK. And personally, I know that MCO is not a big money maker since it is the #1 tourist destination in this or any other solar system... so I would rather make higher yield elsewhere...
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