gloopy

Yep. And any comprehensive TA needs to be presented without section 3. We first MEMRAT the TA without section 3, then, only if that passes, do we have another MEMRAT on the same TA with section 3. Both should have to pass and the MEC/NC should have zero problems sending it to us like that, unless they are planning on blindsiding us with a gold plated section 3 and holes elsewhere like 250+ large dual class RJ's, a 737 domestic coast to coast DCI knock off, treating Jet Airways like equals WRT ASM's, possible "company friendly" F&DT provisions that allow reduced crews if regs are changed to allow it, and other pesky fine print.

Get the other stuff right first, THEN send us section 3 to vote for, with SWA rates being the floor for MD80/737 sized equipment and up from there.

acl65pilot

Sensitive today?

acl65pilot

Interesting idea, send it on up.

80ktsClamp

Bingo. That's neat that the negotiators spent so much time on the contract. However, our dues go to ALPA not to sell us on the contract up for vote, but to give us an appropriate in depth knowledge on the facts.

Appropriate knowledge vice a sell job is critical. Just look at the latest Pinnacle TA which was done in an identical manner. An "analysis" was presented to the group, but they very conveniently left out numerous very critical negative aspects of the contract. Sound familiar?

gloopy

I absolutely realize that it is possible. But we need to go Dubinsky on them if they think they will roll the dice and even maybe casually roll in 4 or 500+ relative new hires blended into our Captain seniority levels. And Atlantic offers little beyond LHR. We've already sold our souls once for some slots, and now we are going to do it again? We need to do London to MCO with at least 3 or 4 widebodies a day, but at least one. Why can't we do ONE per day (and that fake flight number carry over with a plane change does NOT count) when the foreign carriers spam MCO with 4 engine jets hourly. And we can't do a single flight ourselves? UNSAT, and moreover a harbinger of how any VAtlantic deal would go. And the price for that might be a VAmerica windfall of epic proportions? Srsly?

acl65pilot

The point is that they were not on the map.

What pilots here at DAL need to be worried about is a skyteam agreement with RJET or the like that totally goes around the DAL code and as a result our section one. Read it again. They could fly anything. That is why a domestic cabatoage agreement with skyteam and all of its partners is needed not just for us but for other members. It keeps em honest.

This little fur ball of F9 would be child's play compared to that scope workaround.

acl65pilot

With the first part, you are presupposing a SLI outcome. I would not do that, second, we could fight it if that is what the membership and the pilots wanted.

BTW Skyteam (AF) is going MCO-CDG starting this summer, so yes there is a response.

shiznit

Is it just me, or does it seem that few of the people on this forum are grasping the fact that there has been MAJOR turnover in the LEC ranks, which has resulted in ousting many long-term reps and installing VOTING reps that are very vocal and clearly not happy with the statsu quo?

There is much discontent in the makeup of the LEC's, they were elected on the fuel of discontent that is all over the pilot group. I'm very confident in the direction that my new reps have started off and the systems they are putting in place to right the ship and make the union more transparent and more effective in dealing with the issues facing the pilots of Delta Air Lines.

We'll see the reality when the Sec. 6 openers are exchanged and the tone that the union sets in regards to unifying the pilots. I'm willing to give this group the opportunity to show that our unhappiness and our votes for new leadership were effective and that the message is heard loud and clear to all.

tsquare

Bet ya a steak dinner that it would never see the light of day.

acl65pilot

That is easy, demand full contract language. Also if you must, a resolution for a by-law/policy manual change directing it to be that way.