Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-16-2011, 09:23 AM
At home on the maddog!
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Brilliant!!! You may have identified the perfect DALPA theme song! 
I've got a song I ain't got no melody
How'm I gonna sing it with my friends
I've got a song I ain't got no melody
How'm I gonna sing it with my friends
Will it go round in circles
Will it fly high like a bird up in the sky
Will it go round in circles
Will it fly high like a bird up in the sky
I've got a story ain't got no moral
Let the bad guy win every once in a while
I've got a story ain't got no moral
Let the bad guy win every once in a while
Will it go round in circles
Will it fly high like a bird up in the sky
Will it go round in circles
Will it fly high like a bird up in the sky
I've got a dance ain't got no steps
I'm gonna let the music move me around
I've got a dance I ain't got no steps
I'm gonna let the music move me around
Will it go round in circles
Will it fly high like a bird up in the sky
Will it go round in circles
Will it fly high like a bird up in the sky
I've got a song I ain't got no melody
How'm I gonna sing it with my friends
I've got a song I ain't got no melody
How'm I gonna sing it with my friends
Will it go round in circles
Will it fly high like a bird up in the sky
Will it go round in circles
Will it fly high like a bird up in the sky
I've got a song I ain't got no melody
How'm I gonna sing it with my friends
I've got a song I ain't got no melody
How'm I gonna sing it with my friends
Will it go round in circles
Will it fly high like a bird up in the sky
Will it go round in circles
Will it fly high like a bird up in the sky
I've got a story ain't got no moral
Let the bad guy win every once in a while
I've got a story ain't got no moral
Let the bad guy win every once in a while
Will it go round in circles
Will it fly high like a bird up in the sky
Will it go round in circles
Will it fly high like a bird up in the sky
I've got a dance ain't got no steps
I'm gonna let the music move me around
I've got a dance I ain't got no steps
I'm gonna let the music move me around
Will it go round in circles
Will it fly high like a bird up in the sky
Will it go round in circles
Will it fly high like a bird up in the sky
I've got a song I ain't got no melody
How'm I gonna sing it with my friends
I've got a song I ain't got no melody
How'm I gonna sing it with my friends
Will it go round in circles
Will it fly high like a bird up in the sky
Will it go round in circles
Will it fly high like a bird up in the sky
03-16-2011, 09:26 AM
veut gagner à la loterie
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Well they have no competition. DPA has a ways to go right now and so ALPA knows that they are not accountable. A lot of people aren't interested in resolutions and meetings because it's an absolute barrier.
Imagine if enacting change on the national level in congress required first to go to your city, then to your county, then if approved state house, then state senate, then let go and see if your ideas get through conference committees, then the governor and then maybe your congressional representative, then a house conference committee... it's a barrier.
That's why elections are great. Open elections.
Let the pilots speak for themselves not only for the local representative, like we do, but for the one on top as well.
That way when someone who wants to fight for change, say Tsquare, doesn't have to fight to get his name on the ballot and then fight insiders during the election.
In a way, the teachers in WI are going to have 1 benefit imho and that's every year they get to vote in or out their union. They can have a no confidence vote, something ALPA is immune too and therefore, unaccountable to outsiders (us).
So there, my wish list- vote ALPA in or out every year or maybe every 2 years.
That's the kind of competition I wish we had and I'm surprised the union wouldn't accept that, after all, they surely have more than 50%+1 support.
Imagine if enacting change on the national level in congress required first to go to your city, then to your county, then if approved state house, then state senate, then let go and see if your ideas get through conference committees, then the governor and then maybe your congressional representative, then a house conference committee... it's a barrier.
That's why elections are great. Open elections.
Let the pilots speak for themselves not only for the local representative, like we do, but for the one on top as well.
That way when someone who wants to fight for change, say Tsquare, doesn't have to fight to get his name on the ballot and then fight insiders during the election.
In a way, the teachers in WI are going to have 1 benefit imho and that's every year they get to vote in or out their union. They can have a no confidence vote, something ALPA is immune too and therefore, unaccountable to outsiders (us).
So there, my wish list- vote ALPA in or out every year or maybe every 2 years.
That's the kind of competition I wish we had and I'm surprised the union wouldn't accept that, after all, they surely have more than 50%+1 support.
03-16-2011, 09:27 AM
No longer cares
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 767er Captain
Posts: 12,109
Well they have no competition. DPA has a ways to go right now and so ALPA knows that they are not accountable. A lot of people aren't interested in resolutions and meetings because it's an absolute barrier.
Imagine if enacting change on the national level in congress required first to go to your city, then to your county, then if approved state house, then state senate, then let go and see if your ideas get through conference committees, then the governor and then maybe your congressional representative, then a house conference committee... it's a barrier.
That's why elections are great. Open elections.
Let the pilots speak for themselves not only for the local representative, like we do, but for the one on top.
That way when someone who wants to fight for change, say Tsquare, doesn't have to fight to get his name on the ballot and then fight insiders during the election.
In a way, the teachers in WI are going to have 1 benefit imho and that's every year they get to vote in or out their union. They can have a no confidence vote, something ALPA is immune too and therefore, unaccountable to outsiders (us).
That's the kind of competition I wish we had.
Imagine if enacting change on the national level in congress required first to go to your city, then to your county, then if approved state house, then state senate, then let go and see if your ideas get through conference committees, then the governor and then maybe your congressional representative, then a house conference committee... it's a barrier.
That's why elections are great. Open elections.
Let the pilots speak for themselves not only for the local representative, like we do, but for the one on top.
That way when someone who wants to fight for change, say Tsquare, doesn't have to fight to get his name on the ballot and then fight insiders during the election.
In a way, the teachers in WI are going to have 1 benefit imho and that's every year they get to vote in or out their union. They can have a no confidence vote, something ALPA is immune too and therefore, unaccountable to outsiders (us).
That's the kind of competition I wish we had.
03-16-2011, 09:32 AM
Gets Weekends Off
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Reality is that with the Code Share in place there is no way DAL will willfully do this. Sounds good, and is a good "red meat" moment, but the reality is that DAL has what they want, and until it is threatened by an external force the status quo will prevail.
My personal opinion is if DAL needs to feed our Asia ops quickly Virgin America becomes our bed mate. AS is much more preferable on many levels.
If you recall, even Virgin cannot sustain themselves' on these routes. They are bleeding competing with AS, and have focused on easier targets like DFW. Contrary to what many ppl think the N-S traffic on the West Coast cannot support the competition that the East Coast does. It has been this way since deregulation.
My personal opinion is if DAL needs to feed our Asia ops quickly Virgin America becomes our bed mate. AS is much more preferable on many levels.
If you recall, even Virgin cannot sustain themselves' on these routes. They are bleeding competing with AS, and have focused on easier targets like DFW. Contrary to what many ppl think the N-S traffic on the West Coast cannot support the competition that the East Coast does. It has been this way since deregulation.
And of course DL would never do that unless and until AK was dancing with someone else. That's what I meant. Clearly management is happy with their 737 Delta Connection on the west coast. And by west coast I mean both coasts.
I don't really see the value in VA though. It would risk giving them the windfall of the century WRT an SLI if they were able to get a seat at the table, and with the McCaskill law and trend of relative SLI's lately is a real risk, "red meat moments" aside.
And they bring nothing of value whatsoever other than a few more JFK slots. Anything else they do we can do ourselves. Their Airbus fleet is new and completely debt, so why do a messy merger with them when we could just go to Airbus and get an identical fleet ourselves and probably at a cheaper price since we could pencil in a couple hundred options (or LOI' etc) for 2 or 300 more of the NEO's while we're at it? Oh BTW Boeing just announced their cleen sheet numbers for their 737 replacement. 15% savings. LOL! They will sell 600 to SWA and hundreds around the world, but for any carrier with Airbus products, as long as Airbus plays ball with the price (and they will) the NEO will be available a lot sooner and odds are with a lot less issues because the only difference is the engines. The rest is a proven platform. And while Boeing might pretend to claim they "get it" WRT their outsourcing orgy on the 787, they haven't nor do they care, especially about narrowbody trash. They are too target fixated on the heavy metal and military cash cow to care enough to get the 737/797/whatever right.
And for what, the same efficency targets and STILL not a common cockit! LOL!
03-16-2011, 09:34 AM
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What happened, you finally got eternally drunk off the kool-aid and were therefore let into the "club"?
03-16-2011, 09:37 AM
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Cheers
George
03-16-2011, 09:45 AM
Happy to be here
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Posts: 18,563
The issue here is that we are guaranteeing RJET profits by "competiting" on the same route with their airplanes. Those are guaranteed profit operations for S9 and CHQ (not at risk flying) that we are sending on the routes against RJET.
(my beef here is both with our management and with ALPA, btw)
(my beef here is both with our management and with ALPA, btw)
I also agree with you, but again, it is not what we want that we are talking about, it is what we have or have done.
03-16-2011, 09:47 AM
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03-16-2011, 09:48 AM
Happy to be here
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Posts: 18,563
03-16-2011, 09:50 AM
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I agree that simply seat dumping on west coast N-S routes would be costly. But we would be the survivors and VA would tank almost instantly and AK would wither on the vine in a year or two, with or without LCC.
And of course DL would never do that unless and until AK was dancing with someone else. That's what I meant. Clearly management is happy with their 737 Delta Connection on the west coast. And by west coast I mean both coasts.
I don't really see the value in VA though. It would risk giving them the windfall of the century WRT an SLI if they were able to get a seat at the table, and with the McCaskill law and trend of relative SLI's lately is a real risk, "red meat moments" aside.
And they bring nothing of value whatsoever other than a few more JFK slots. Anything else they do we can do ourselves. Their Airbus fleet is new and completely debt, so why do a messy merger with them when we could just go to Airbus and get an identical fleet ourselves and probably at a cheaper price since we could pencil in a couple hundred options (or LOI' etc) for 2 or 300 more of the NEO's while we're at it? Oh BTW Boeing just announced their cleen sheet numbers for their 737 replacement. 15% savings. LOL! They will sell 600 to SWA and hundreds around the world, but for any carrier with Airbus products, as long as Airbus plays ball with the price (and they will) the NEO will be available a lot sooner and odds are with a lot less issues because the only difference is the engines. The rest is a proven platform. And while Boeing might pretend to claim they "get it" WRT their outsourcing orgy on the 787, they haven't nor do they care, especially about narrowbody trash. They are too target fixated on the heavy metal and military cash cow to care enough to get the 737/797/whatever right.
And for what, the same efficency targets and STILL not a common cockit! LOL!
And of course DL would never do that unless and until AK was dancing with someone else. That's what I meant. Clearly management is happy with their 737 Delta Connection on the west coast. And by west coast I mean both coasts.
I don't really see the value in VA though. It would risk giving them the windfall of the century WRT an SLI if they were able to get a seat at the table, and with the McCaskill law and trend of relative SLI's lately is a real risk, "red meat moments" aside.
And they bring nothing of value whatsoever other than a few more JFK slots. Anything else they do we can do ourselves. Their Airbus fleet is new and completely debt, so why do a messy merger with them when we could just go to Airbus and get an identical fleet ourselves and probably at a cheaper price since we could pencil in a couple hundred options (or LOI' etc) for 2 or 300 more of the NEO's while we're at it? Oh BTW Boeing just announced their cleen sheet numbers for their 737 replacement. 15% savings. LOL! They will sell 600 to SWA and hundreds around the world, but for any carrier with Airbus products, as long as Airbus plays ball with the price (and they will) the NEO will be available a lot sooner and odds are with a lot less issues because the only difference is the engines. The rest is a proven platform. And while Boeing might pretend to claim they "get it" WRT their outsourcing orgy on the 787, they haven't nor do they care, especially about narrowbody trash. They are too target fixated on the heavy metal and military cash cow to care enough to get the 737/797/whatever right.
And for what, the same efficency targets and STILL not a common cockit! LOL!
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