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Old 03-15-2011, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Rogue24
Anyone hearing the rumors out of USAir that there is an announcement coming about them and Alaska?

Just had a friend over there call me. News to me.
LOL! Bring it! USAir brings very, very little value to Alaska compared to us. Add in the cost of the move, and the fact that anything Alaska can do for us, we can do ourselves. The opposite is not true for them regarding what we can do. Oh and have an awesome time trying to sort out that SLI!

Killing off our feed to Alaska and giving them the trickle of feed they would get by comparison from LCC would do them far more harm than it would do us. And we could recovr all or most of what we lost pretty quickly compared to what it would take them to recover.
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Old 03-15-2011, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
I am confident that ALPA will defend our PWA should there be a violation!
Sadly, I am confident that ALPA (and thus DALPA) will work as hard as they possibly can to prove to Delta pilots that there was no violation.

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Old 03-15-2011, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
You can throw it all you want, but who else feeds our SEA, LAX and PDX operation?
Who does or who used to? Who does or who would/could? If we have to capacity dump on their tiny niche network to feed our global powerhouse, so be it. We can bleed on that tiny percentage of our network a lot longer than they can.
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Old 03-15-2011, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Single carrier cements that a violation has occured.
A violation having occured doesn't mean anything if our bargaining agent doesn't agree to pursue it.

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Old 03-15-2011, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
Like Moak did with the 76 seat interpretation thing? I don't have the wording in front of me right now, but the intention of it should have been clear to anyone. The company saw a way (quite a stretch as I recall) to interpret it differently and once again exploited us with it. Win or lose, we should have fought it because it was the right thing to do, and not because the lawyers wanted to follow the path of least resistance/risk. Instead, we came off looking weak (again) and the lawyers got paid either way.
It is sad to read this...because it is SO accurate.

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Old 03-15-2011, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
i'm not the type to photoshop.
BWAAAAHAAAAHAAAAA!!!

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Old 03-15-2011, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Fly4hire
Alpha,

Yes, and we all know doctors and lawyers can be hazardous in airplanes, and your point is well taken, however lawyers are also notoriously cautious. We could easily be too timid, or not pursue something where it was the right thing to do because of a lawyers advice of the possibility that it might not go our way. The company and their lawyers are more aggressive and capitalize on our willingness to settle rather than risk any possibility of defeat.

Under that system all they have to keep doing is violating the contract and we'll meet them half way as long as they stop the violation and they in fact force de facto concessions out of us while we claim it as a win because we averted risk.
Really good post.

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Old 03-15-2011, 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
... but if RAH is forced to cancel its agreement with DAL (which I think is not likely) all it will do is stop the killing of Comair for a little while and probably expand Compass and Skywest in the long term...
Comair won't be coming back anytime soon. We're past the tipping point and sinking fast.

When Delta/Comair announced that we were parking the majority of our fleet and all but the top 200 were being downgraded/furloughed, it touched off an exodus of junior pilots.

Now we're so short on First Officers that they are downgrading 1/8 of the Captain list and parking aircraft ahead of schedule.

If anything, RAH/SKW/Pinnacle will need to pick up Comair flights soon.
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Old 03-15-2011, 05:32 PM
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Old 03-15-2011, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
LOL! Bring it! USAir brings very, very little value to Alaska compared to us. Add in the cost of the move, and the fact that anything Alaska can do for us, we can do ourselves. The opposite is not true for them regarding what we can do. Oh and have an awesome time trying to sort out that SLI!

Killing off our feed to Alaska and giving them the trickle of feed they would get by comparison from LCC would do them far more harm than it would do us. And we could recovr all or most of what we lost pretty quickly compared to what it would take them to recover.
Amen brother. Bring it indeed! I especially really enjoy waiting with engines running for Alaska to push from one of our gates in SNA when we're on time and they're not.
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