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Old 03-14-2011, 01:02 PM
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What does everyone think about the "UAL may park 54 (all mainline) aircraft to combat rising fuel prices" announcement?

Propaganda/fear during negotiations? (FUD)

It doesn't matter what the price of fuel is as long as people are flying and ticket prices support the cost of fuel. So if UAL were to park that many planes, it would be a tremendous gift to their competitors and the LCC's unless there were a significant drop in demand/overall travelers at supportable price points. If that were the case, everyone would likely be parking more.

I think, at this point, it was a meaningless generic statement probably meant to either stroke off the capacity dicipiline robots in the crackberry trader community and/or as a fear tactic to labor who dares to question the sancity of the company's ability to outsource to the lowest cut throat bidder.

Also, any guesses as to when other airlines (particularly DAL) will start making sililar chatter?
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Old 03-14-2011, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by flyBanana
This might mean something else. Those runs are old Midwest routes, which is currently done by Republic... Either Mother D is going for the kill, or they think there will be void in those routes. maybe?
The National Mediation Board is about to declare Republic a "single transportation system". That means the codesharing with Delta has to end because it violates the scope clause in the Delta pilot contract.
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Old 03-14-2011, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
What does everyone think about the "UAL may park 54 (all mainline) aircraft to combat rising fuel prices" announcement?

Propaganda/fear during negotiations? (FUD)

It doesn't matter what the price of fuel is as long as people are flying and ticket prices support the cost of fuel. So if UAL were to park that many planes, it would be a tremendous gift to their competitors and the LCC's unless there were a significant drop in demand/overall travelers at supportable price points. If that were the case, everyone would likely be parking more.

I think, at this point, it was a meaningless generic statement probably meant to either stroke off the capacity dicipiline robots in the crackberry trader community and/or as a fear tactic to labor who dares to question the sancity of the company's ability to outsource to the lowest cut throat bidder.

Also, any guesses as to when other airlines (particularly DAL) will start making sililar chatter?
They already have. Capacity will only grow 1%-3% vs 2%-5% & the announcement to retire the DC9-50's in the next 12-24 months was made. Also, RJs will continue to be parked while less capacity with more frequency will be replaced with less frequency & more capacity.

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Old 03-14-2011, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
The National Mediation Board is about to declare Republic a "single transportation system". That means the codesharing with Delta has to end because it violates the scope clause in the Delta pilot contract.
I must be honest, I am ignorant on all of this stuff. And if what you say is true, and I believe you, what does that mean to Mother D? Do we really expect Mother D to not use those airplanes and lift?
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Old 03-14-2011, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
I must be honest, I am ignorant on all of this stuff. And if what you say is true, and I believe you, what does that mean to Mother D? Do we really expect Mother D to not use those airplanes and lift?
Spot on.. they just awarded 10 more airplanes to RAH (shuttle america specifically).

If what is asserted is true, then ALPA has gotta to jump all over the company immediately and make sure they do the right thing. It's pretty obvious the company still sees no issue with what is going on.
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Old 03-14-2011, 02:06 PM
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Exactly!!! To never see Virginia Avenue again would awesome.
C'mon, what's not to like? Available crack, cheap hookers, sims within walking distance, uh, winning!!
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Old 03-14-2011, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
They already have. Capacity will only grow 1%-3% vs 2%-5% & the announcement to retire the DC9-50's in the next 12-24 months was made. Also, RJs will continue to be parked while less capacity with more frequency will be replaced with less frequency & more capacity.
That's what I was wondering. Is this recent UAL chatter on an equivalent timeline as the older Delta capacity announcement, which was basically a non announcement? Or is this a new cutting edge capacity announcement that DL will feel pressured to "one up" to please the pundits?

Of course it all comes down to are people flying and are airlines charging sustainable fares?

If UAL cuts 54 mainline aircraft (all 75-76 domestic I think) that would be a huge gift for VA and WN as I'm sure much of that capacity would come out of the bay area and metro Chicago. Especially with VA desperate to invade ORD. Panic capacity cuts a decade ago did nothing but throw gas on the brushfires of LCC growth. All it pretty much did was transfer capacity to the LCC's which put more price pressure on the legacies doing the transferring in the first place.

Well, that and make no talent hack worthless MBA types think you could transport the entire world 50 seats at a time and order thousands of RJ's just in time to start panic parking them after they all showed up.

In any case, I find it mind boggling that no one cares in the slightest about 90 dollar oil as a permanant mean average price floor and can actually be very bullish about the industry at that price, but suddenly at 101 dollar oil the sky is falling and we (the industry) had better start parking everything and putting people on large RJ's and letting the LCC's grow faster than Barry Bond's biceps.

If demand is there, and it appears to be at least if you've been on a flight or walked through an airport anytime in the last year or so, then a 10 or 20 dollar price spike in oil shouldn't make our supposedly best and brightest pundits in the boardrooms or investment community scream like its a pending industry apocalypse. JMHO.
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So a competitor is subsidized and compensated either way. Brilliant. Maybe we can hire Southwest to overfly their own routes out of ATL too while we're at it.
Uggh.....Back to the T.J Hooker marathon.
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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
I must be honest, I am ignorant on all of this stuff. And if what you say is true, and I believe you, what does that mean to Mother D? Do we really expect Mother D to not use those airplanes and lift?
Perhaps another opportunity for DALPA to give up scope concessions
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