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Old 03-07-2011, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Columbia





I could never get past this screen.
Since sometimes the concrete walls seem to defy gravity, I'd say your options rest on a high arching shot to each one of those pig guys. Damn things are probably laughing a lot too.

Originally Posted by sailingfun
SWA has a application window opening. It will help if your buddy puts a recommendation in for you.
Commuting on reserve as you have found out is pure folly. It never happened before we ended up with the best reserve system on the planet. That went away in the 1113 contract. It was simply unheard of when I was a new. If you decide not to go with SWA since you now have a young child the very best advice I can give you is to pick one of the major bases and move to that area. Your life will be a improvement beyond anything you can imagine that involves a commute.
I have one of the easiest commutes around. Short flight, same time zone, 35 plus flights a day on 5 different airlines and no kids at home. Its still sucks! I would not even consider my commute with children at home under this contract.
What's wrong with saying "I know, 18 days on for just 70 hours and all for $50K less than a SWA pilot hired at the same time is something we have to get fixed ASAP." ?

Not, "why don't you either uproot your wife and kid, regardless of whether you're moving away from family and support, and move to a base and enjoy the chapter 11 pay and work rules or you should quit. Because by complaining you're complaining about ALPA and that's not acceptable."

I think until commuting is outlawed, as a guy who lives in base, I don't think someones reasons for commuting should ever be questioned unless you don't mind your commute, bidding choices, aircraft choices and so on being questioned. It's nobody's business and if someone wants to complain about it, I'm willing to hear them out for 1 reason - who is to say I won't one day be forced into a commute? Or if you commute, losing seniority or forced to another base and worse QOL. You never know and that's a simple rule from RJ day 1 much less mainline day 1.

Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL
OMG, we better prepare to give the company money in 2013, they can't afford to give us pay raises, and if they do they'll have to give everyone a raise as well, and they might unionize, oh my! Can't wait for the union to tell us we might have to lower our expectations cause of the price of oil - but of course we'll get a profit sharing check when things are better
^^ get ready. I have a feeling you'll turn out to be right.

But talking about rising oil prices, I'll stop.

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Old 03-07-2011, 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
+1, !

Like I said,"It is not our duty as pilots to worry about the rise of OIL (it means nothing)". The more we FEAR, the more management takes advantage.

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I GIVE THAT ANOTHER BIG ++++++1
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Old 03-07-2011, 10:47 AM
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U.S. Dept. of Transportation data show drop in flight delays, rise in canceled flights | NJ.com

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Jennifer Sutherland, 46, a gymnastics coach and Cedar Grove native now living in Clarksville, Ohio, was among the thousands of air travelers whose flights were canceled at Newark Liberty International Airport after the Dec. 26 blizzard. Sutherland has no way of knowing if the tarmac rule came into play in her case, but she was angry that airlines could be canceling flights as an easy, sure way to eliminate their risk of penalties.

"The airlines are saving the massive fines from the tarmac rule and at the same time forcing passengers into the impossible situation of waiting
days or weeks to re-book or simply purchase another ticket," she said.

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Old 03-07-2011, 10:51 AM
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Interesting to see SFO and other west coast flying on ATL 88 for April.

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FWIW, I heard the other day that a 73NG breaks even after about 25 days of use per month. 88's B/E is 5 days.

Heard it second hand so it might not be true but it came from a presenter at the LCA meeting so it'd be interesting. Maybe even with high oil the not as efficient 88 can hang ar.... mentioned oil. Sorry.
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Old 03-07-2011, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
Along these lines...

What do you guys think (especially fNWA guys who flew the DC-9) is the reason why the DC-9 has become so unreliable recently? Every single trip I fly, we end up with a major mechanical delay or even a cancellation due to mechanical. I find myself calling maintenance way more frequently than I have ever had to do with any other aircraft in my entire career. Now, the F/O's I fly with, who have flown the airplane for a long time, tell me that the DC-9 had an extremely high dispatch reliability at NWA. Is it that we're utilizing the aircraft more post-merger? (More utilization on an old aircraft = more maintenance problems?) Or is Delta doing something different in terms of preventative maintenance? Or maybe a combination of both? What do you think?

I think part of it is the fleet size. Very few spare parts, and next to no chance for a substitution. It used to be no problem when we you could just pull a -30 out of the hangar. It sometimes caused an overbooking problem if you were subbing a -30 for a -40 or -50, but it was a lot easier then canceling.
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Old 03-07-2011, 11:21 AM
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So - the airlines have learned not to leave people on a plane for 7 hours at a time.

Sounds like the new rules are working just fine.
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Old 03-07-2011, 11:22 AM
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When we scrap a 9 or 757 or 88, do we give up the parts or do we keep the reusable parts?

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Old 03-07-2011, 11:24 AM
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Jennifer Sutherland, 46, a gymnastics coach and Cedar Grove native now living in Clarksville, Ohio, was among the thousands of air travelers whose flights were canceled at Newark Liberty International Airport after the Dec. 26 blizzard. Sutherland has no way of knowing if the tarmac rule came into play in her case, but she was angry that airlines could be canceling flights as an easy, sure way to eliminate their risk of penalties.
"The airlines are saving the massive fines from the tarmac rule and at the same time forcing passengers into the impossible situation of waiting days or weeks to re-book or simply purchase another ticket," she said.


FTB,


Are you surprised that she has contorted the facts and logic of the rule? After all, she is a gymnastics coach.


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Old 03-07-2011, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
Jennifer Sutherland, 46, a gymnastics coach and Cedar Grove native now living in Clarksville, Ohio, was among the thousands of air travelers whose flights were canceled at Newark Liberty International Airport after the Dec. 26 blizzard. Sutherland has no way of knowing if the tarmac rule came into play in her case, but she was angry that airlines could be canceling flights as an easy, sure way to eliminate their risk of penalties.
"The airlines are saving the massive fines from the tarmac rule and at the same time forcing passengers into the impossible situation of waiting days or weeks to re-book or simply purchase another ticket," she said.


FTB,


Are you surprised that she has contorted the facts and logic of the rule? After all, she is a gymnastics coach.


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Actually, I kind of am intrigued by what she said. "The airlines are saving on massive fines." I guess they're massive fines that we should be paying because obviously the airlines are making way more than $27,500/pax per flight in profit!

Or we should fix our problems and not cancel flights because it's obviously our problem and we should be forced to pay those fines until we get our act together.

Or better yet, we make money when we don't fly. Which could've been very true for SWA in years past as excellent heating oil brokers.

Totally intrigued.

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Old 03-07-2011, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
I think part of it is the fleet size. Very few spare parts, and next to no chance for a substitution. It used to be no problem when we you could just pull a -30 out of the hangar. It sometimes caused an overbooking problem if you were subbing a -30 for a -40 or -50, but it was a lot easier then canceling.
I don't know if that's it. It seems like they have a similar ratio of spares as any other fleet. And from what the fNWA guys have told me, the airplane just didn't break all that much prior to the merger. In my limited experience, it seems that they usually have had the part needed... and when necessary, they often find us another airplane. But it still results in significant maintenance delays at a much higher rate than I've previously experienced on any aircraft at any of my three airlines. My understanding is that these maintenance delays and/or cancellations didn't happen as much prior to the merger.
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