Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-02-2011, 06:59 AM
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Buzz,
I think most in this country realize we are broke and everyone is going to have to cinch their belts. What is happening is a shakedown of unions, whether it be NJ, WI, OH or airline unions. They (ultra wealthy, multi-natls, etc.) are trying to further diminish the middle class, thus more money, less or no taxes for themselves. What would your feelings be if a group of politicians attacked your earned retirement and tricare? My guess is you and other veterans would go bat****. Sorta like the teachers and other union members are now. If, big if we are going to turn this ship around EVERYONE is going to have to pony up. Workers are going to pay more taxes, corps. are going to have to lose some loopholes, write offs on taxes will need to be eliminated or reduced, politicians are going to have to give up their full pensions and health care for life after 1 or 2 terms (maybe pro-rate those based on years served) those on SS will have to take a hit, same with medicare, military retirees(especially hire paid officers) will have to take a 10-15% pay hit and pay more for tricare. My guess is most fiscal conservatives won't like it when they come after their benefits, but it is ok to go after others. So, Buzz. What say you?
I think most in this country realize we are broke and everyone is going to have to cinch their belts. What is happening is a shakedown of unions, whether it be NJ, WI, OH or airline unions. They (ultra wealthy, multi-natls, etc.) are trying to further diminish the middle class, thus more money, less or no taxes for themselves. What would your feelings be if a group of politicians attacked your earned retirement and tricare? My guess is you and other veterans would go bat****. Sorta like the teachers and other union members are now. If, big if we are going to turn this ship around EVERYONE is going to have to pony up. Workers are going to pay more taxes, corps. are going to have to lose some loopholes, write offs on taxes will need to be eliminated or reduced, politicians are going to have to give up their full pensions and health care for life after 1 or 2 terms (maybe pro-rate those based on years served) those on SS will have to take a hit, same with medicare, military retirees(especially hire paid officers) will have to take a 10-15% pay hit and pay more for tricare. My guess is most fiscal conservatives won't like it when they come after their benefits, but it is ok to go after others. So, Buzz. What say you?
And my grandfather, my father, and I were all commissioned officers in the military....no union. My point is this, for every tax dollar an American pays to the federal, state or local government is one less dollar of discretionary income they have to purchase an airline ticket. Conversely, government employees, like military servicemen and women, "serve." Corporations, like ours, produce a commodity. If customers can't purchase a commodity, we perish.
The government hires servants, corporations hire employees. Never once in my 20 years in the military did I expect a union to represent me. I signed up to serve. Now, living in California, I have no interest in paying any more of my 10% of state income tax to fund any more incompetency or continue to add to an already bankrupt state.
The governor of Wisconsin, whether Republican or not, is right on. You can't write checks you can't cash. We, in the legacy airlines, have certainly bitten the bullet over the last 8 or nine years, while state government employees have seen a 28% increase in income (in CA, for example). This is not a left vs. right thing, this is a fiscally-responsible thing. God bless your parents and their service to Chicago and Illinois. Presently, I'm worried about my job at Delta, my children and their future. Color me a little bit uncertain, but I'm not hanging my future, or theirs, on our union or anything.
Nothing personal New. I just beg to differ.
The government hires servants, corporations hire employees. Never once in my 20 years in the military did I expect a union to represent me. I signed up to serve. Now, living in California, I have no interest in paying any more of my 10% of state income tax to fund any more incompetency or continue to add to an already bankrupt state.
The governor of Wisconsin, whether Republican or not, is right on. You can't write checks you can't cash. We, in the legacy airlines, have certainly bitten the bullet over the last 8 or nine years, while state government employees have seen a 28% increase in income (in CA, for example). This is not a left vs. right thing, this is a fiscally-responsible thing. God bless your parents and their service to Chicago and Illinois. Presently, I'm worried about my job at Delta, my children and their future. Color me a little bit uncertain, but I'm not hanging my future, or theirs, on our union or anything.
Nothing personal New. I just beg to differ.
03-02-2011, 07:10 AM
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Tanstaafl;
I agree, I have a few family members with the government retirement. I keep telling them to start saving, a lot. I suspect that will be one of the next things to go.
Also, a point to add to the discussion:
No one has had an issue with what government employees, or for that fact what ALPA Unit One and Two employees were making when they, themselves' were making more. Now that "our" pay has been cut, the public sentiment and overall sentiment on here about ALPA is, these people should take cuts to since I have. Good, bad, or indifferent, that is why. It is in effect a race to a new level, a level that is somewhere America has not been in a long time.
We as a Nation and as a union need to look at the root cause of all of this. It comes down to spending more than you have, and putting it on credit. Though choices within our house have been made and may have to be made in the future. The same holds true of local, state, and federal entities. Get the spending and debt in control, and you deal with the root cause. It is not the plan that these teachers have that is sending WI over the edge, it is just the last and possibly the final event in a string of bad decisions.
I agree, I have a few family members with the government retirement. I keep telling them to start saving, a lot. I suspect that will be one of the next things to go.
Also, a point to add to the discussion:
No one has had an issue with what government employees, or for that fact what ALPA Unit One and Two employees were making when they, themselves' were making more. Now that "our" pay has been cut, the public sentiment and overall sentiment on here about ALPA is, these people should take cuts to since I have. Good, bad, or indifferent, that is why. It is in effect a race to a new level, a level that is somewhere America has not been in a long time.
We as a Nation and as a union need to look at the root cause of all of this. It comes down to spending more than you have, and putting it on credit. Though choices within our house have been made and may have to be made in the future. The same holds true of local, state, and federal entities. Get the spending and debt in control, and you deal with the root cause. It is not the plan that these teachers have that is sending WI over the edge, it is just the last and possibly the final event in a string of bad decisions.
One problem with this whole discussion is that everyone focuses on the teachers. I think that the real problem is the entire administration. The education dept has evolved into a giant bloated pig. How many staff do we need to have in the principles office? Of every dollar that gets spent on education, how much of it actually gets to the classroom and how much is siphoned off within an overly large admin. Our school district (MN) is closing an elementary school and they made a bunch of cuts in the budget, one of those cuts that really struck me was a middle school activities director which cost the school district nearly $100k/yr. That is crazy.
addition: I am trying to figure out how this discussion is similar to the ALPA national unionized group where we have secretaries making more than most regional pilots and legacy FO's.
03-02-2011, 07:16 AM
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Its official. Finally.
On Deltanet:
DELTA EXPANDS MD-90 FLEET
Delta has reached an agreement with Japan Airlines to purchase nine MD-90 aircraft as it continues to expand its fleet of the cost-efficient narrowbody jets.
JAL will begin delivery of the MD-90s in January of next year, and they will be refurbished and upgraded to match Delta’s domestic fleet. The purchase will not add capacity; rather, the aircraft will be used to replace retiring DC-9s and 50-seat regional jets leaving the fleet.
Delta now has 58 MD-90s under contract, with 19 flying, 15 in modification, and 24 to be delivered. With a range of 2,400 miles, the 160-seat aircraft can be used for a variety of domestic flying.
“The MD-90 is a cost-effective aircraft that helps us more efficiently maintain our flying levels as we retire regional jets and DC-9s,” said Nat Pieper, v.p.-Fleet Strategy and Transactions. “We’ll continue to look for opportunities to acquire used MD-90s in the future.”
Since 2007, Delta has retired more than 250 smaller gauge domestic aircraft including 50-seat regional jets, Saab 340 turboprops, and all of its DC-9 30s and 40s. A portion of that capacity has been backfilled with the addition of 100 newer model MD-90s and two-class regional jets.
On Deltanet:
DELTA EXPANDS MD-90 FLEET
Delta has reached an agreement with Japan Airlines to purchase nine MD-90 aircraft as it continues to expand its fleet of the cost-efficient narrowbody jets.
JAL will begin delivery of the MD-90s in January of next year, and they will be refurbished and upgraded to match Delta’s domestic fleet. The purchase will not add capacity; rather, the aircraft will be used to replace retiring DC-9s and 50-seat regional jets leaving the fleet.
Delta now has 58 MD-90s under contract, with 19 flying, 15 in modification, and 24 to be delivered. With a range of 2,400 miles, the 160-seat aircraft can be used for a variety of domestic flying.
“The MD-90 is a cost-effective aircraft that helps us more efficiently maintain our flying levels as we retire regional jets and DC-9s,” said Nat Pieper, v.p.-Fleet Strategy and Transactions. “We’ll continue to look for opportunities to acquire used MD-90s in the future.”
Since 2007, Delta has retired more than 250 smaller gauge domestic aircraft including 50-seat regional jets, Saab 340 turboprops, and all of its DC-9 30s and 40s. A portion of that capacity has been backfilled with the addition of 100 newer model MD-90s and two-class regional jets.
03-02-2011, 07:21 AM
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Its official. Finally.
On Deltanet:
DELTA EXPANDS MD-90 FLEET
Delta has reached an agreement with Japan Airlines to purchase nine MD-90 aircraft as it continues to expand its fleet of the cost-efficient narrowbody jets.
JAL will begin delivery of the MD-90s in January of next year, and they will be refurbished and upgraded to match Delta’s domestic fleet. The purchase will not add capacity; rather, the aircraft will be used to replace retiring DC-9s and 50-seat regional jets leaving the fleet.
Delta now has 58 MD-90s under contract, with 19 flying, 15 in modification, and 24 to be delivered. With a range of 2,400 miles, the 160-seat aircraft can be used for a variety of domestic flying.
“The MD-90 is a cost-effective aircraft that helps us more efficiently maintain our flying levels as we retire regional jets and DC-9s,” said Nat Pieper, v.p.-Fleet Strategy and Transactions. “We’ll continue to look for opportunities to acquire used MD-90s in the future.”
Since 2007, Delta has retired more than 250 smaller gauge domestic aircraft including 50-seat regional jets, Saab 340 turboprops, and all of its DC-9 30s and 40s. A portion of that capacity has been backfilled with the addition of 100 newer model MD-90s and two-class regional jets.
On Deltanet:
DELTA EXPANDS MD-90 FLEET
Delta has reached an agreement with Japan Airlines to purchase nine MD-90 aircraft as it continues to expand its fleet of the cost-efficient narrowbody jets.
JAL will begin delivery of the MD-90s in January of next year, and they will be refurbished and upgraded to match Delta’s domestic fleet. The purchase will not add capacity; rather, the aircraft will be used to replace retiring DC-9s and 50-seat regional jets leaving the fleet.
Delta now has 58 MD-90s under contract, with 19 flying, 15 in modification, and 24 to be delivered. With a range of 2,400 miles, the 160-seat aircraft can be used for a variety of domestic flying.
“The MD-90 is a cost-effective aircraft that helps us more efficiently maintain our flying levels as we retire regional jets and DC-9s,” said Nat Pieper, v.p.-Fleet Strategy and Transactions. “We’ll continue to look for opportunities to acquire used MD-90s in the future.”
Since 2007, Delta has retired more than 250 smaller gauge domestic aircraft including 50-seat regional jets, Saab 340 turboprops, and all of its DC-9 30s and 40s. A portion of that capacity has been backfilled with the addition of 100 newer model MD-90s and two-class regional jets.
03-02-2011, 07:21 AM
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One problem with this whole discussion is that everyone focuses on the teachers. I think that the real problem is the entire administration. The education dept has evolved into a giant bloated pig. How many staff do we need to have in the principles office? Of every dollar that gets spent on education, how much of it actually gets to the classroom and how much is siphoned off within an overly large admin. Our school district (MN) is closing an elementary school and they made a bunch of cuts in the budget, one of those cuts that really struck me was a middle school activities director which cost the school district nearly $100k/yr. That is crazy.
addition: I am trying to figure out how this discussion is similar to the ALPA national unionized group where we have secretaries making more than most regional pilots and legacy FO's.
addition: I am trying to figure out how this discussion is similar to the ALPA national unionized group where we have secretaries making more than most regional pilots and legacy FO's.
03-02-2011, 07:24 AM
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Buzz,
I think most in this country realize we are broke and everyone is going to have to cinch their belts. What is happening is a shakedown of unions, whether it be NJ, WI, OH or airline unions. They (ultra wealthy, multi-natls, etc.) are trying to further diminish the middle class, thus more money, less or no taxes for themselves. What would your feelings be if a group of politicians attacked your earned retirement and tricare? My guess is you and other veterans would go bat****. Sorta like the teachers and other union members are now. If, big if we are going to turn this ship around EVERYONE is going to have to pony up. Workers are going to pay more taxes, corps. are going to have to lose some loopholes, write offs on taxes will need to be eliminated or reduced, politicians are going to have to give up their full pensions and health care for life after 1 or 2 terms (maybe pro-rate those based on years served) those on SS will have to take a hit, same with medicare, military retirees(especially hire paid officers) will have to take a 10-15% pay hit and pay more for tricare. My guess is most fiscal conservatives won't like it when they come after their benefits, but it is ok to go after others. So, Buzz. What say you?
I think most in this country realize we are broke and everyone is going to have to cinch their belts. What is happening is a shakedown of unions, whether it be NJ, WI, OH or airline unions. They (ultra wealthy, multi-natls, etc.) are trying to further diminish the middle class, thus more money, less or no taxes for themselves. What would your feelings be if a group of politicians attacked your earned retirement and tricare? My guess is you and other veterans would go bat****. Sorta like the teachers and other union members are now. If, big if we are going to turn this ship around EVERYONE is going to have to pony up. Workers are going to pay more taxes, corps. are going to have to lose some loopholes, write offs on taxes will need to be eliminated or reduced, politicians are going to have to give up their full pensions and health care for life after 1 or 2 terms (maybe pro-rate those based on years served) those on SS will have to take a hit, same with medicare, military retirees(especially hire paid officers) will have to take a 10-15% pay hit and pay more for tricare. My guess is most fiscal conservatives won't like it when they come after their benefits, but it is ok to go after others. So, Buzz. What say you?
You are missing the point, as a Military member I did not belong to a unon, yet was a federal employee. The Federal Civil Service workers can belong to a union but they are prohibited by law from collectively bargaining, yet still are paid higher than their civilian counterparts. State and Federal CIVIL SERVANTS are just that, they work for the State and sacrifice higher pay for better stability and peace of mind that job security brings.
Before you go off on a rant that I don't understand. I supervised Civil Service employees and am married to a State Employee. They have a number of job protections we don't enjoy as ALPA members and the argument that they NEED the protections that a union provides is just plain wrong.
I heard a really good reason recently for the bailout of GM and Chrysler was to save the UAW because as all airline pilots know; had those organizations gone to CH11, their lucrative UAW contracts would have been amongst the first things slashed.
Just because we are members of an association, shouldn't mean we blindly stand up for the other unions. I wonder where the teachers were when Spirit was on strike, oh yeah, they were complaining that they had to pay more for the luxury of flying because a low fare carriers' work force was trying to negotiate a better contract.
03-02-2011, 07:25 AM
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Its official. Finally.
On Deltanet:
DELTA EXPANDS MD-90 FLEET
Delta has reached an agreement with Japan Airlines to purchase nine MD-90 aircraft as it continues to expand its fleet of the cost-efficient narrowbody jets.
JAL will begin delivery of the MD-90s in January of next year, and they will be refurbished and upgraded to match Delta’s domestic fleet. The purchase will not add capacity; rather, the aircraft will be used to replace retiring DC-9s and 50-seat regional jets leaving the fleet.
Delta now has 58 MD-90s under contract, with 19 flying, 15 in modification, and 24 to be delivered. With a range of 2,400 miles, the 160-seat aircraft can be used for a variety of domestic flying.
“The MD-90 is a cost-effective aircraft that helps us more efficiently maintain our flying levels as we retire regional jets and DC-9s,” said Nat Pieper, v.p.-Fleet Strategy and Transactions. “We’ll continue to look for opportunities to acquire used MD-90s in the future.”
Since 2007, Delta has retired more than 250 smaller gauge domestic aircraft including 50-seat regional jets, Saab 340 turboprops, and all of its DC-9 30s and 40s. A portion of that capacity has been backfilled with the addition of 100 newer model MD-90s and two-class regional jets.
On Deltanet:
DELTA EXPANDS MD-90 FLEET
Delta has reached an agreement with Japan Airlines to purchase nine MD-90 aircraft as it continues to expand its fleet of the cost-efficient narrowbody jets.
JAL will begin delivery of the MD-90s in January of next year, and they will be refurbished and upgraded to match Delta’s domestic fleet. The purchase will not add capacity; rather, the aircraft will be used to replace retiring DC-9s and 50-seat regional jets leaving the fleet.
Delta now has 58 MD-90s under contract, with 19 flying, 15 in modification, and 24 to be delivered. With a range of 2,400 miles, the 160-seat aircraft can be used for a variety of domestic flying.
“The MD-90 is a cost-effective aircraft that helps us more efficiently maintain our flying levels as we retire regional jets and DC-9s,” said Nat Pieper, v.p.-Fleet Strategy and Transactions. “We’ll continue to look for opportunities to acquire used MD-90s in the future.”
Since 2007, Delta has retired more than 250 smaller gauge domestic aircraft including 50-seat regional jets, Saab 340 turboprops, and all of its DC-9 30s and 40s. A portion of that capacity has been backfilled with the addition of 100 newer model MD-90s and two-class regional jets.
Long time viewer, fist time poster.
So, JAL had 16 they were going to sell in BK. What happens to other 7?
03-02-2011, 07:25 AM
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THAT is what I'm getting spooled up over. *huff.* At least I'm flying a 700 today that blocks out when the door is closed. [/QUOTE]
I didn't realize the 700 worked like that? What was Delta's reasoning for configuring it that way considering the rest of the fleet operates differently?
THAT is what I'm getting spooled up over. *huff.* At least I'm flying a 700 today that blocks out when the door is closed. [/QUOTE]
I didn't realize the 700 worked like that? What was Delta's reasoning for configuring it that way considering the rest of the fleet operates differently?
03-02-2011, 07:26 AM
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Its official. Finally.
On Deltanet:
DELTA EXPANDS MD-90 FLEET
Delta has reached an agreement with Japan Airlines to purchase nine MD-90 aircraft as it continues to expand its fleet of the cost-efficient narrowbody jets.
JAL will begin delivery of the MD-90s in January of next year, and they will be refurbished and upgraded to match Delta’s domestic fleet. The purchase will not add capacity; rather, the aircraft will be used to replace retiring DC-9s and 50-seat regional jets leaving the fleet.
Delta now has 58 MD-90s under contract, with 19 flying, 15 in modification, and 24 to be delivered. With a range of 2,400 miles, the 160-seat aircraft can be used for a variety of domestic flying.
“The MD-90 is a cost-effective aircraft that helps us more efficiently maintain our flying levels as we retire regional jets and DC-9s,” said Nat Pieper, v.p.-Fleet Strategy and Transactions. “We’ll continue to look for opportunities to acquire used MD-90s in the future.”
Since 2007, Delta has retired more than 250 smaller gauge domestic aircraft including 50-seat regional jets, Saab 340 turboprops, and all of its DC-9 30s and 40s. A portion of that capacity has been backfilled with the addition of 100 newer model MD-90s and two-class regional jets.
On Deltanet:
DELTA EXPANDS MD-90 FLEET
Delta has reached an agreement with Japan Airlines to purchase nine MD-90 aircraft as it continues to expand its fleet of the cost-efficient narrowbody jets.
JAL will begin delivery of the MD-90s in January of next year, and they will be refurbished and upgraded to match Delta’s domestic fleet. The purchase will not add capacity; rather, the aircraft will be used to replace retiring DC-9s and 50-seat regional jets leaving the fleet.
Delta now has 58 MD-90s under contract, with 19 flying, 15 in modification, and 24 to be delivered. With a range of 2,400 miles, the 160-seat aircraft can be used for a variety of domestic flying.
“The MD-90 is a cost-effective aircraft that helps us more efficiently maintain our flying levels as we retire regional jets and DC-9s,” said Nat Pieper, v.p.-Fleet Strategy and Transactions. “We’ll continue to look for opportunities to acquire used MD-90s in the future.”
Since 2007, Delta has retired more than 250 smaller gauge domestic aircraft including 50-seat regional jets, Saab 340 turboprops, and all of its DC-9 30s and 40s. A portion of that capacity has been backfilled with the addition of 100 newer model MD-90s and two-class regional jets.
03-02-2011, 07:27 AM
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As oil/jet-a go up, who pays for the inefficient RJs? Do they pay for their own gas or is it subsidized by momma d? Are their losses passed up?
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