Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-02-2011, 03:53 AM
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fixed your post. Oh, btw.. you haven't answered my question yet. In case you forgot, you stated that we are rapidly approaching the barbie jet limit.. I asked you to define "rapidly".
03-02-2011, 03:56 AM
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The overriding theme echoed by the protesters and speakers in Madison is the protection of worker’s rights in both the public and private sectors.
Jeff Skiles, the co-pilot who helped crash land the airliner in the Hudson in January of 2009, was one of the speakers. The crowd cheered when he said, “we didn’t abandon those passengers to save themselves; we all worked together to save everybody. That’s a lesson that people in this Capitol building need to learn.”
Skiles continued, “this budget bill will strip Wisconsin public workers of the protections and rights enjoyed by other Americans. This bill will regulate public workers to second-class status in America. Are we going to let that happen?”
In unison, the crowd chanted “No!”
Skiles concluded his speech by stating, “Let’s not forget how this budget crisis came about, and let’s not let this governor and this Republican legislature shift the blame for what’s wrong with America from corporate profiteers and instead demonize our teachers, our nurses and our public-sector employees.”
Jeff Skiles, the co-pilot who helped crash land the airliner in the Hudson in January of 2009, was one of the speakers. The crowd cheered when he said, “we didn’t abandon those passengers to save themselves; we all worked together to save everybody. That’s a lesson that people in this Capitol building need to learn.”
Skiles continued, “this budget bill will strip Wisconsin public workers of the protections and rights enjoyed by other Americans. This bill will regulate public workers to second-class status in America. Are we going to let that happen?”
In unison, the crowd chanted “No!”
Skiles concluded his speech by stating, “Let’s not forget how this budget crisis came about, and let’s not let this governor and this Republican legislature shift the blame for what’s wrong with America from corporate profiteers and instead demonize our teachers, our nurses and our public-sector employees.”
03-02-2011, 03:58 AM
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03-02-2011, 04:02 AM
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After the Republic birds I believe the company had about 27 remaining slots to hit the 255 cap. After these 12 they will be down to approx. 15. The 255 cap is a hard limit on 70 or greater seats.
03-02-2011, 04:03 AM
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And my grandfather, my father, and I were all commissioned officers in the military....no union. My point is this, for every tax dollar an American pays to the federal, state or local government is one less dollar of discretionary income they have to purchase an airline ticket. Conversely, government employees, like military servicemen and women, "serve." Corporations, like ours, produce a commodity. If customers can't purchase a commodity, we perish.
The government hires servants, corporations hire employees. Never once in my 20 years in the military did I expect a union to represent me. I signed up to serve. Now, living in California, I have no interest in paying any more of my 10% of state income tax to fund any more incompetency or continue to add to an already bankrupt state.
The governor of Wisconsin, whether Republican or not, is right on. You can't write checks you can't cash. We, in the legacy airlines, have certainly bitten the bullet over the last 8 or nine years, while state government employees have seen a 28% increase in income (in CA, for example). This is not a left vs. right thing, this is a fiscally-responsible thing. God bless your parents and their service to Chicago and Illinois. Presently, I'm worried about my job at Delta, my children and their future. Color me a little bit uncertain, but I'm not hanging my future, or theirs, on our union or anything.
Nothing personal New. I just beg to differ.
The government hires servants, corporations hire employees. Never once in my 20 years in the military did I expect a union to represent me. I signed up to serve. Now, living in California, I have no interest in paying any more of my 10% of state income tax to fund any more incompetency or continue to add to an already bankrupt state.
The governor of Wisconsin, whether Republican or not, is right on. You can't write checks you can't cash. We, in the legacy airlines, have certainly bitten the bullet over the last 8 or nine years, while state government employees have seen a 28% increase in income (in CA, for example). This is not a left vs. right thing, this is a fiscally-responsible thing. God bless your parents and their service to Chicago and Illinois. Presently, I'm worried about my job at Delta, my children and their future. Color me a little bit uncertain, but I'm not hanging my future, or theirs, on our union or anything.
Nothing personal New. I just beg to differ.
03-02-2011, 04:15 AM
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nevermind..........
03-02-2011, 04:18 AM
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And my grandfather, my father, and I were all commissioned officers in the military....no union. My point is this, for every tax dollar an American pays to the federal, state or local government is one less dollar of discretionary income they have to purchase an airline ticket. Conversely, government employees, like military servicemen and women, "serve." Corporations, like ours, produce a commodity. If customers can't purchase a commodity, we perish.
The government hires servants, corporations hire employees. Never once in my 20 years in the military did I expect a union to represent me. I signed up to serve. Now, living in California, I have no interest in paying any more of my 10% of state income tax to fund any more incompetency or continue to add to an already bankrupt state.
The governor of Wisconsin, whether Republican or not, is right on. You can't write checks you can't cash. We, in the legacy airlines, have certainly bitten the bullet over the last 8 or nine years, while state government employees have seen a 28% increase in income (in CA, for example). This is not a left vs. right thing, this is a fiscally-responsible thing. God bless your parents and their service to Chicago and Illinois. Presently, I'm worried about my job at Delta, my children and their future. Color me a little bit uncertain, but I'm not hanging my future, or theirs, on our union or anything.
Nothing personal New. I just beg to differ.
The government hires servants, corporations hire employees. Never once in my 20 years in the military did I expect a union to represent me. I signed up to serve. Now, living in California, I have no interest in paying any more of my 10% of state income tax to fund any more incompetency or continue to add to an already bankrupt state.
The governor of Wisconsin, whether Republican or not, is right on. You can't write checks you can't cash. We, in the legacy airlines, have certainly bitten the bullet over the last 8 or nine years, while state government employees have seen a 28% increase in income (in CA, for example). This is not a left vs. right thing, this is a fiscally-responsible thing. God bless your parents and their service to Chicago and Illinois. Presently, I'm worried about my job at Delta, my children and their future. Color me a little bit uncertain, but I'm not hanging my future, or theirs, on our union or anything.
Nothing personal New. I just beg to differ.
Don't disagree with you, and retired Mil as well, however one has to ask what was the root cause of the financial crisis at the state levels that are leading to the current standoff? Much is due to cutbacks in state funding caused by having to trim federal funding tied to bailing out the economy and floating hundreds of billions of dollars to prop up Wall Street for the mortgage meltdown that was allowed by several administrations worth of legislation permitting it to take place.
All the current debate over Wis and other states would carry more weight for me were it not that we are basically allowing the rape of the middle class to pay for the sins of government ineptitude and greed of the financial community that is held to a very different standard than that of those now asked to pay for their mistakes.
Should this sentiment prevail it will only be a matter of time before our military retirements are no longer sacrosanct, and I'll guarantee you you'll be singing a different tune then.
03-02-2011, 04:27 AM
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And if you read your EFOB's they will be testing those phones over the new few weeks/months in "areas of less than optimum coverage."
03-02-2011, 04:39 AM
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Tanstaafl;
I agree, I have a few family members with the government retirement. I keep telling them to start saving, a lot. I suspect that will be one of the next things to go.
Also, a point to add to the discussion:
No one has had an issue with what government employees, or for that fact what ALPA Unit One and Two employees were making when they, themselves' were making more. Now that "our" pay has been cut, the public sentiment and overall sentiment on here about ALPA is, these people should take cuts to since I have. Good, bad, or indifferent, that is why. It is in effect a race to a new level, a level that is somewhere America has not been in a long time.
We as a Nation and as a union need to look at the root cause of all of this. It comes down to spending more than you have, and putting it on credit. Though choices within our house have been made and may have to be made in the future. The same holds true of local, state, and federal entities. Get the spending and debt in control, and you deal with the root cause. It is not the plan that these teachers have that is sending WI over the edge, it is just the last and possibly the final event in a string of bad decisions.
I agree, I have a few family members with the government retirement. I keep telling them to start saving, a lot. I suspect that will be one of the next things to go.
Also, a point to add to the discussion:
No one has had an issue with what government employees, or for that fact what ALPA Unit One and Two employees were making when they, themselves' were making more. Now that "our" pay has been cut, the public sentiment and overall sentiment on here about ALPA is, these people should take cuts to since I have. Good, bad, or indifferent, that is why. It is in effect a race to a new level, a level that is somewhere America has not been in a long time.
We as a Nation and as a union need to look at the root cause of all of this. It comes down to spending more than you have, and putting it on credit. Though choices within our house have been made and may have to be made in the future. The same holds true of local, state, and federal entities. Get the spending and debt in control, and you deal with the root cause. It is not the plan that these teachers have that is sending WI over the edge, it is just the last and possibly the final event in a string of bad decisions.
03-02-2011, 04:45 AM
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Tanstaafl;
I agree, I have a few family members with the government retirement. I keep telling them to start saving, a lot. I suspect that will be one of the next things to go.
Also, a point to add to the discussion:
No one has had an issue with what government employees, or for that fact what ALPA Unit One and Two employees were making when they, themselves' were making more. Now that "our" pay has been cut, the public sentiment and overall sentiment on here about ALPA is, these people should take cuts to since I have. Good, bad, or indifferent, that is why. It is in effect a race to a new level, a level that is somewhere America has not been in a long time.
We as a Nation and as a union need to look at the root cause of all of this. It comes down to spending more than you have, and putting it on credit. Though choices within our house have been made and may have to be made in the future. The same holds true of local, state, and federal entities. Get the spending and debt in control, and you deal with the root cause. It is not the plan that these teachers have that is sending WI over the edge, it is just the last and possibly the final event in a string of bad decisions.
I agree, I have a few family members with the government retirement. I keep telling them to start saving, a lot. I suspect that will be one of the next things to go.
Also, a point to add to the discussion:
No one has had an issue with what government employees, or for that fact what ALPA Unit One and Two employees were making when they, themselves' were making more. Now that "our" pay has been cut, the public sentiment and overall sentiment on here about ALPA is, these people should take cuts to since I have. Good, bad, or indifferent, that is why. It is in effect a race to a new level, a level that is somewhere America has not been in a long time.
We as a Nation and as a union need to look at the root cause of all of this. It comes down to spending more than you have, and putting it on credit. Though choices within our house have been made and may have to be made in the future. The same holds true of local, state, and federal entities. Get the spending and debt in control, and you deal with the root cause. It is not the plan that these teachers have that is sending WI over the edge, it is just the last and possibly the final event in a string of bad decisions.
While this is true, human nature has been to treat that gubbamint like a cash machine that never runs out. This cannot continue. The teachers have a painful lesson coming their way. It is up to them as to whether they choose to acknowledge history and learn from private industry (the irony there is palpable) or whether they choose to be an ostrich and think that the legislature will ALWAYS come through in the 11th hour and pay them. I have a cousin that just got a teaching job in Illinois.. primary education I think. She is pretty sharp, and said that she is going to plan on funding her own retirement because she realizes that the ponzi schemes are crashing down.
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