Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-20-2011, 01:12 PM
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Bloomberg reported it this morning.
Air France, Delta Consider Bid for Virgin Atlantic, Times Says - Bloomberg
Air France, Delta Consider Bid for Virgin Atlantic, Times Says - Bloomberg
02-20-2011, 01:22 PM
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The biggest hurdle to that is foreign ownership rules which will be gone within the decade. Once they are gone it's a matter of a few regulation changes in regards to licensing and some agreements with other governments on right to work and we could all be on one list and under one contract.
02-20-2011, 01:43 PM
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We have transatlantic JV scope protections with the AF/KLM pilots, and as such it would take 3-4 different courts to overturn the JV protections we enjoy currently.
It actually would give us a good bit of leverage if V-Atl. came into skyteam and DL/AFKL wanted them in on the trans-atlantic JV. time will tell.
I'm with Buzzpat: berets, no showers, and good red wine for DAL pilots in 10 years! I agree that foreign ownership is a big question mark down the road, but its not the AF/KL/DL pilots being under one contract that i worry about (not that I think that will happen anyway (the AF pilots have more than one union at the present), its the operation of "Skyteam" flights by "asia/africa/mid-east" crews working for 1/10th of DL/KL/AF wages that worries me more.
It actually would give us a good bit of leverage if V-Atl. came into skyteam and DL/AFKL wanted them in on the trans-atlantic JV. time will tell.
I'm with Buzzpat: berets, no showers, and good red wine for DAL pilots in 10 years! I agree that foreign ownership is a big question mark down the road, but its not the AF/KL/DL pilots being under one contract that i worry about (not that I think that will happen anyway (the AF pilots have more than one union at the present), its the operation of "Skyteam" flights by "asia/africa/mid-east" crews working for 1/10th of DL/KL/AF wages that worries me more.
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Alors!, You guys are looking too far ahead:
The 800 pound gorilla is the integration with Alitalia currently underway.
2 possibilities:
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George
The 800 pound gorilla is the integration with Alitalia currently underway.
2 possibilities:
- Alitalia transatlantic flying is considered as a share of the current AF-KLM/DAL JV.
This would be good for DAL pilots because any transatlantic flying done by Alitalia would be added to the AFKLM "pot" and would be matched 1-for-1 by additional Delta flying. - Alitalia transatlantic flying is added to current AF-KLM/DAL JV.
This would be bad for DAL pilots because the 50%-50% ratio would be skewed to reflect additional flying on the part of AF-KLM-Alitalia. Delta pilots would probably maintain status quo in terms of Atlantic ASMs, but this would be ceding "share" in the transatlantic flying.
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This +1!!!
you guys are looking too far ahead:
The 800 pound gorilla is the integration with alitalia currently underway.
2 possibilities:
Alitalia transatlantic flying is considered as a share of the current af-klm/dal jv.
This would be good for dal pilots because any transatlantic flying done by alitalia would be added to the afklm "pot" and would be matched 1-for-1 by additional delta flying.
Alitalia transatlantic flying is added to current af-klm/dal jv.
This would be bad for dal pilots because the 50%-50% ratio would be skewed to reflect additional flying on the part of af-klm-alitalia. Delta pilots would probably maintain status quo in terms of atlantic asms, but this would be ceding "share" in the transatlantic flying.
The outcome of the alitalia integration would probably spell out how delta pilots fare in the upcoming virgina australia/dal jv. A route where i'm afraid we are past the 50%-50% balance in favor of vaustralia....
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The 800 pound gorilla is the integration with alitalia currently underway.
2 possibilities:
Alitalia transatlantic flying is considered as a share of the current af-klm/dal jv.
This would be good for dal pilots because any transatlantic flying done by alitalia would be added to the afklm "pot" and would be matched 1-for-1 by additional delta flying.
Alitalia transatlantic flying is added to current af-klm/dal jv.
This would be bad for dal pilots because the 50%-50% ratio would be skewed to reflect additional flying on the part of af-klm-alitalia. Delta pilots would probably maintain status quo in terms of atlantic asms, but this would be ceding "share" in the transatlantic flying.
The outcome of the alitalia integration would probably spell out how delta pilots fare in the upcoming virgina australia/dal jv. A route where i'm afraid we are past the 50%-50% balance in favor of vaustralia....
Cheers
george
02-20-2011, 01:54 PM
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They are up to 5 777-300ER, at least 2 of those flying to the US and we have one 777-200LR a day in theater...
It will be hard to push for an even 50%-50% split on Pacific ASMs with the current balance of ASMs...
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George
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02-20-2011, 02:00 PM
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As a Delta pilot I wouldn't want VAustralia to expand past the Pacific playground...
They are up to 5 777-300ER, at least 2 of those flying to the US and we have one 777-200LR a day in theater...
It will be hard to push for an even 50%-50% split on Pacific ASMs with the current balance of ASMs...
Cheers
George
They are up to 5 777-300ER, at least 2 of those flying to the US and we have one 777-200LR a day in theater...
It will be hard to push for an even 50%-50% split on Pacific ASMs with the current balance of ASMs...
Cheers
George
Now if you are talking about SOUTH Pacific flying, then I see your point.
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