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02-18-2011, 11:25 AM
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Sec 23, Y.
I tried cut/pasting it here, but it comes out looking all weird. It does say "It is expected that a pilot will avail himself of Section 23 Y. 2. on a rare basis." so that line isn't new. It also says, "A pilot who has demonstrated a pattern of inability to report as scheduled will be subject to progressive disciplinary action."
The new policy is nice in that 2 hours aren't required between your primary and backup flight.
I tried cut/pasting it here, but it comes out looking all weird. It does say "It is expected that a pilot will avail himself of Section 23 Y. 2. on a rare basis." so that line isn't new. It also says, "A pilot who has demonstrated a pattern of inability to report as scheduled will be subject to progressive disciplinary action."
The new policy is nice in that 2 hours aren't required between your primary and backup flight.
02-18-2011, 11:26 AM
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Just skimmed the SOT recommendations. Lots of good stuff in there that fnw will recognize. Lots of good new stuff too.
So far my only word of caution is DO NOT LET PS Front End Deviation mutate into SATELLITE basing. PS on front end is a good deal. Satellite basing is NOT.
Otherwise it looks like a job well done, assuming we can write new pwa language without holes.
So far my only word of caution is DO NOT LET PS Front End Deviation mutate into SATELLITE basing. PS on front end is a good deal. Satellite basing is NOT.
Otherwise it looks like a job well done, assuming we can write new pwa language without holes.
If a lousy trip is coming up, and I'm the senior-most on Reserve, and there are two of us available, the junior guy might have flown 1/2 hour more than me, and be in the next lower bucket. If 35 points was the size of all buckets, it means that, at the most, the next guy below me would be about a three-day trip away. If they have smaller buckets, it means that I might be up next if I've flown anywhere between 1/2 hr and maybe one two-day trip, less than the junior most guy. As you get closer and closer to the end of the month, if bucket sizes don't get bigger then I might have to go out on a lousy 4-day trip, over 1/2 hour differential, and hit 67 hours for the month, while the guy directly behind in RAW score sits tight at 45 hours (for example).
It's still a long, long way from a purely seniority-based Reserve system.
Still, it's step in the right direction. The return of the high and low yellows would be welcome. The problem is that there is still no meaningful penalty (to the company) or reward (to us) for overusing SC assignments.
02-18-2011, 11:36 AM
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The Reserve language is a little weak. 5 points is too small a change to the RAW score for a SC (I equate 1 hour of flying to about 2 points change in RAW score). Letting the company float RAW "bucket" sizes is equivalent to letting them float anything, such as the Reserves Required vs. Available. It rarely works well for us.
If a lousy trip is coming up, and I'm the senior-most on Reserve, and there are two of us available, the junior guy might have flown 1/2 hour more than me, and be in the next lower bucket. If 35 points was the size of all buckets, it means that, at the most, the next guy below me would be about a three-day trip away. If they have smaller buckets, it means that I might be up next if I've flown anywhere between 1/2 hr and maybe one two-day trip, less than the junior most guy. As you get closer and closer to the end of the month, if bucket sizes don't get bigger then I might have to go out on a lousy 4-day trip, over 1/2 hour differential, and hit 67 hours for the month, while the guy directly behind in RAW score sits tight at 45 hours (for example).
It's still a long, long way from a purely seniority-based Reserve system.
Still, it's step in the right direction. The return of the high and low yellows would be welcome. The problem is that there is still no meaningful penalty (to the company) or reward (to us) for overusing SC assignments.
If a lousy trip is coming up, and I'm the senior-most on Reserve, and there are two of us available, the junior guy might have flown 1/2 hour more than me, and be in the next lower bucket. If 35 points was the size of all buckets, it means that, at the most, the next guy below me would be about a three-day trip away. If they have smaller buckets, it means that I might be up next if I've flown anywhere between 1/2 hr and maybe one two-day trip, less than the junior most guy. As you get closer and closer to the end of the month, if bucket sizes don't get bigger then I might have to go out on a lousy 4-day trip, over 1/2 hour differential, and hit 67 hours for the month, while the guy directly behind in RAW score sits tight at 45 hours (for example).
It's still a long, long way from a purely seniority-based Reserve system.
Still, it's step in the right direction. The return of the high and low yellows would be welcome. The problem is that there is still no meaningful penalty (to the company) or reward (to us) for overusing SC assignments.
The old bidding high time and low time at fNW seems like it would be a nice addition too, but not sure how to make that work in conjunction with RAW.
02-18-2011, 11:47 AM
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Just skimmed the SOT recommendations. Lots of good stuff in there that fnw will recognize. Lots of good new stuff too.
So far my only word of caution is DO NOT LET PS Front End Deviation mutate into SATELLITE basing. PS on front end is a good deal. Satellite basing is NOT.
Otherwise it looks like a job well done, assuming we can write new pwa language without holes.
So far my only word of caution is DO NOT LET PS Front End Deviation mutate into SATELLITE basing. PS on front end is a good deal. Satellite basing is NOT.
Otherwise it looks like a job well done, assuming we can write new pwa language without holes.
02-18-2011, 11:49 AM
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It's a shame that many plan to avoid Reserves, because it introduces a hurdle that we all need to jump before we want to upgrade. It's a penalty on our advancement.
Under the old rules, some worried about being senior enough to hold Reserve...
02-18-2011, 12:22 PM
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02-18-2011, 12:35 PM
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02-18-2011, 12:50 PM
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02-18-2011, 12:54 PM
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02-18-2011, 12:58 PM
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