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02-17-2011, 03:38 PM
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02-17-2011, 03:42 PM
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The tone of the memo was inappropriate and illustrates that manager has no idea what effect the merger has had on former Delta pilots who are getting displaced from Delta bases. My guess is that this manager's commute has not changed.
Anyone offended by the above comment, feel free to swap former Delta for former Northwest.
Anyone offended by the above comment, feel free to swap former Delta for former Northwest.
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02-17-2011, 03:48 PM
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02-17-2011, 03:59 PM
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"For many, commuting is a personal lifestyle choice, but the anxiety level can still be significant. "
I'm going to have to ask JG why he felt like he had to include this sentence. Read the paragraph without it. It makes perfect sense and changes the entire tenor of the message. That sentence contributes nothing to the message. All it does is make him look either ignorant of, or unconcerned about the great numbers of pilots that have been forced to make the difficult decision to either pack up and move, bid down to lower paying equipment, or start commuting.
It's a good policy, but the message was delivered poorly.
I'm going to have to ask JG why he felt like he had to include this sentence. Read the paragraph without it. It makes perfect sense and changes the entire tenor of the message. That sentence contributes nothing to the message. All it does is make him look either ignorant of, or unconcerned about the great numbers of pilots that have been forced to make the difficult decision to either pack up and move, bid down to lower paying equipment, or start commuting.
It's a good policy, but the message was delivered poorly.
The fact that most managers also believe it to be a "lifestyle choice" doesn't really matter because management decided to do this. They did so for operational integrity...not to be nice.
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02-17-2011, 04:00 PM
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How could we stay mad at a face like that?
I haven't had the opportunity to read up on this moron yet, but I will be amazed if I find that he actually attended Alabama.
Don't worry. I don't lump him in with the real Bama fans, for whom I have only a sunburnt, Jim Beam on a Saturday afternoon distaste for
This guy is a wackjob and I'm sure 100% of Auburn fans and alumni realize that he, in no way, represents Alabama. Here's looking forward to many more years of a good rivalry and National Championships for the state of Alabama!
I haven't had the opportunity to read up on this moron yet, but I will be amazed if I find that he actually attended Alabama.
Don't worry. I don't lump him in with the real Bama fans, for whom I have only a sunburnt, Jim Beam on a Saturday afternoon distaste for
This guy is a wackjob and I'm sure 100% of Auburn fans and alumni realize that he, in no way, represents Alabama. Here's looking forward to many more years of a good rivalry and National Championships for the state of Alabama!
02-17-2011, 04:12 PM
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As a fNWA guy, my opinion is that abusing it is using the policy as an excuse to commute irresponsibly knowing that someone will bail you out if you try to get to work on a bad weather day and only leave yourself one backup or try to commute into Atlanta the day before the SEC championship without a jumpseat booked... or whatever. I didn't see much of that at Northwest and I lived in a city full of commuters where the jumpseats were all pretty much taken about 5 minutes after the booking window opened. Most guys commute as responsibly as ever... policy or no policy.
However... there's always the 2%....
I also thought the preamble was a little condescending, but this is a huge change in policy for about 60% of the entire post-merger pilot group. I think a caution to use the policy sparingly lest it be taken away isn't necessarily a bad thing. However, it was very poorly worded.
However... there's always the 2%....
I also thought the preamble was a little condescending, but this is a huge change in policy for about 60% of the entire post-merger pilot group. I think a caution to use the policy sparingly lest it be taken away isn't necessarily a bad thing. However, it was very poorly worded.
At fNW, I would bet money that CPs and Crew Skeds knew who the abusers were and acted to correct the abuses thus preserving the policy for the non-abusers that were just trying to get to work.
That leads to another improvement that could be carried over from fNW by allowing a union rep/advocate chosen by the pilot to be present at disciplinary meetings (e.g. losing unable to commute privileges). I can't remember the name DL has for the process, but iirc the base CP ends up being the pilots advocate. Makes for interesting times if it was the CP that originally proposed the discipline. I am sure sailing or slow or alfa will remind me of the name given to these meetings and if my understanding is not correct.
02-17-2011, 04:38 PM
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I tend to enjoy more in depth reporting of the news and current events. Frontline, 60 minutes etc. It is more of an education than watching Springer type news every night. Again, it is only an opinion and I do tend to flip on CNN before anyone else. Have to support those Atlanta corporations right?
I agree but it is getting harder and harder to get in-depth reporting in a sound bite/Twitter world. Frontline has some great stuff and 60 minutes is OK - but they will seriously slant the reporting to favor their point of view.
I tend to watch mostly FOX and CNN and with a little bit of MSNBC for perspective and humor, and think overall FOX does the best job. Yes, they tend to be farther right than the others, but considering the left leaning bias of almost every other media outlet I think (and so does the American public at large) that there is a market for this type of approach.
Also, why does FOX cause so much angst because of their right leaning bias? Prior to FOX you had a choice of moderate left, far left, and really far left - what is wrong with some other options?
Finally, if anyone thinks they can get all the news is a straightforward unbiased way from any single media outlet - they are wrong. Much better to watch different outlets with different points of view and decide for yourself who and what is more correct, and who and what is total BS.
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02-17-2011, 04:40 PM
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Does this new "policy" apply to reserve bubbas at all ???
02-17-2011, 04:42 PM
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As a middle of the road viewer I have to say Fox does a better job of reporting the news without opinion and bias than MSNBC. Take out the Chris Matthews, Maddow, Beck, and O'Reily types and judge it based on just the news report segments and Fox delivers the story more often that MSNBC without the mandatory side dish of their political agenda. In fact, I'd have to say they even beat CNN in that department as CNN brings in left leaning reporters with their bias more often than Fox does with their right leaning biases. Just an impartial observation.
A good Start!!!
02-17-2011, 04:48 PM
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Commuting Policy
Whats the big deal guys? Commuting is a life-stlyle choice, just like joining the French Foreign Legion is a lifestyle choice.
I guess after 9-11 I really didn't have to commute. I could have moved my family from LAX to SLC in 2002 and then to MCO only to be furloughed. And when recalled I could have then moved to ATL, SLC and then back to LAX in 2007.
Only 5 moves in 5 years - then again technically, Nomadic, could be considered a lifestyle.
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I guess after 9-11 I really didn't have to commute. I could have moved my family from LAX to SLC in 2002 and then to MCO only to be furloughed. And when recalled I could have then moved to ATL, SLC and then back to LAX in 2007.
Only 5 moves in 5 years - then again technically, Nomadic, could be considered a lifestyle.
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