Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-10-2011, 12:59 PM
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Job opening:
Job Title: Mediator (Airlines & Railroad)
Agency: National Mediation Board
Job Announcement Number: NMB-2011-02 (417949)-SW
SALARY RANGE:
$74,872.00 - $115,742.00 /year
OPEN PERIOD:
Monday, January 24, 2011 to Monday, February 28, 2011
SERIES & GRADE:
GS-0241-12/13
POSITION INFORMATION:
Full Time Career/Career Conditional
PROMOTION POTENTIAL:
14
DUTY LOCATIONS:
1 vacancy - Washington DC Metro Area, DC
WHO MAY BE CONSIDERED:
US Citizens and Status Candidates
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Job Title: Mediator (Airlines & Railroad)
Agency: National Mediation Board
Job Announcement Number: NMB-2011-02 (417949)-SW
SALARY RANGE:
$74,872.00 - $115,742.00 /year
OPEN PERIOD:
Monday, January 24, 2011 to Monday, February 28, 2011
SERIES & GRADE:
GS-0241-12/13
POSITION INFORMATION:
Full Time Career/Career Conditional
PROMOTION POTENTIAL:
14
DUTY LOCATIONS:
1 vacancy - Washington DC Metro Area, DC
WHO MAY BE CONSIDERED:
US Citizens and Status Candidates
USAJOBS - Search Jobs
02-10-2011, 01:01 PM
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Here is ours:
Originally Posted by DALPA PWA Section 1
26. “Fragmentation transaction” means a transaction (other than a successor transaction) in which the Company or an affiliate (other than an affiliate performing flying only on permitted aircraft types) disposes of aircraft, route authority or slots (net of aircraft, route authority or slots acquired within the 12 month period preceding such transaction or acquired in a related transaction), which produced 12% or more of the operating revenue, block hours or available seat miles of the Company (excluding revenue, block hours or available seat miles of affiliates performing flying only on permitted aircraft types) during the 12 months immediately prior to the date of the agreement resulting in the fragmentation transaction.
J. Fragmentation Transaction
As a condition of any fragmentation transaction, the Company will, at the request of the Association, require the transferee of assets to:
1. employ a certain number of Delta pilots based on the number of crewmembers that will be required by the transferee for the operation of the transferred assets (not counting airmen employed by the transferee);
2. offer employment to such Delta pilots according to eligibility criteria determined by agreement between the Company and the Association or, in the absence of such agreement, by a neutral arbitrator;
3. provide that the transferring pilots will be integrated with the transferee’s pilots pursuant to Association Merger Policy if the transferee’s pilots are represented by the Association
or, if otherwise, pursuant
As a condition of any fragmentation transaction, the Company will, at the request of the Association, require the transferee of assets to:
1. employ a certain number of Delta pilots based on the number of crewmembers that will be required by the transferee for the operation of the transferred assets (not counting airmen employed by the transferee);
2. offer employment to such Delta pilots according to eligibility criteria determined by agreement between the Company and the Association or, in the absence of such agreement, by a neutral arbitrator;
3. provide that the transferring pilots will be integrated with the transferee’s pilots pursuant to Association Merger Policy if the transferee’s pilots are represented by the Association
or, if otherwise, pursuant
- 12% of Delta Air Lines' revenue is an operation larger than Alaska Air Lines
- Our fragmentation protections do not prevent management from outsourcing to our permitted aircraft types
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 02-10-2011 at 01:28 PM.
02-10-2011, 01:30 PM
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We (the Delta pilot group) just might have a guy in the running for that job. Unfortunately he is not on our side when it comes to labor protection provisions.
02-10-2011, 01:49 PM
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To replace a DC-9, you need another DC-9. Just the way it works.
New Rumor: Heard that SWA wants to spin off the 717s before the merger, and DAL wants the 717s. Deal might be in the works to take the whole fleet off their hands, plus the extra 25 that Boeing is sitting on.
This big a divestiture of a fleet would trigger AAIs fragmentation clause, and their pilots would have the opportunity to go with the airplanes.
Get yer merger fund checkbooks ready...
Nu
New Rumor: Heard that SWA wants to spin off the 717s before the merger, and DAL wants the 717s. Deal might be in the works to take the whole fleet off their hands, plus the extra 25 that Boeing is sitting on.
This big a divestiture of a fleet would trigger AAIs fragmentation clause, and their pilots would have the opportunity to go with the airplanes.
Get yer merger fund checkbooks ready...
Nu
02-10-2011, 02:01 PM
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Be interesting to see whether the AirTran pilots would want to leave SWA.
Anyone else getting "PCS IN PROGRESS" error message on the iCrew site?
Anyone else getting "PCS IN PROGRESS" error message on the iCrew site?
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 02-10-2011 at 02:33 PM.
02-10-2011, 02:36 PM
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I was just on with no problems.
02-10-2011, 03:17 PM
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I had heard that the white papers had been written on a swa/aai 717 and Saudi MD90 acquistion. Finding the solution to a single category was in progress. As shiznit pointed out the fcp and overheads on our 88/90, 717 and Saudi 90s are all different but the displays were the biggest hurdles. The 88/90 upgrade was presented at the board last fall. The pics are floating around especially at the training center.
PICTURE: Southwest launches 737-300 cockpit upgrade with Boeing and GE
PICTURE: Southwest launches 737-300 cockpit upgrade with Boeing and GE
02-10-2011, 03:32 PM
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the transition could work if the faa gave us permissionfor a single category you could make initially a seperate 717/90 category and grow it with every newly configured DAL 88/90, 717 and Saudi until the 88 category is gone. Question, what would you call the category, I'm thinking MB79. That way it trumps the 765 as nonsensical category name of the fleet.
02-10-2011, 05:54 PM
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So I was thinking, what would our pay rates look like if we made MD88 pay equal SWA pay?
So here is where our pay is in 2011:
Here is where it would be if you replaced the 88 pay with SWA 737 pay and then adjusted the other categories proportionally. The last row has the average pay increase over Delta pay rates for the entire fleet and then the last column the average percentage increase per category.
Any errors will just have to be accepted as is, til tomorrow at the earliest.
So here is where our pay is in 2011:
Here is where it would be if you replaced the 88 pay with SWA 737 pay and then adjusted the other categories proportionally. The last row has the average pay increase over Delta pay rates for the entire fleet and then the last column the average percentage increase per category.
Any errors will just have to be accepted as is, til tomorrow at the earliest.
02-10-2011, 06:03 PM
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Even if true, couldn't that be circumvented very easily by taking those planes a few at a time rather than all on one day? That would seem to be the way SWA and DL would want it anyway. SWA so they could have time to replace 717's as they left on a controllable schedule with 737's, and DL for similar training/new fleet issues (and yes, its a "9" but it is still very much a new fleet/bid category...zero chance of commonality with the 88/90 unless they "dumbed down" the glass ala SWA) but in any case, 86 jets transferred al at once would decimate SWA's acquisition. The slots, gates and routes they got AT for in the first place would evaporate. They obviously would do it on a much more controlled (and slower) pace. A pace that probably would not trigger their fragmentation clause.
If there were any such discussions, they would center around the orderly disposal of a fairly large fleet of recent small NB airplanes, and involve the lessors, etc. It might keep the value of the airframes a little higher for LUV, give Delta an opportunity to tap into a good option for recent NB A/C in a gauge we're losing. Order and control, while each side can schedule appropriate deliveries (717's for DAL, 737's for LUV), might mean a win-win.
It's true that none of us want to see planes come with pilots, and since we always like to spin rumors the way we want them to turn out, maybe it's wishful thinking on my part... but I don't see it as one large transaction upfront, with pilots and employees.
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