Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-07-2011, 09:58 AM
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In that article about MSP and Gov Dayton, Dayton: Airport needs to have more options | StarTribune.com, I think all you need to know are these two lines:
Sounding a populist tone in support of passengers, Gov. Mark Dayton on Thursday called for greater competition among airlines at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport to curb ticket costs and provide better services.
and then this:
In an interview after the gathering, Dayton didn't offer specific strategies for fostering competition.
How come these two sentences never got put together I don't know.
Sounding a populist tone in support of passengers, Gov. Mark Dayton on Thursday called for greater competition among airlines at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport to curb ticket costs and provide better services.
and then this:
In an interview after the gathering, Dayton didn't offer specific strategies for fostering competition.
How come these two sentences never got put together I don't know.
02-07-2011, 09:59 AM
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As to the rest, believe what you will. It's clear that nothing short of your actual participation in a study or access to the details of the ASA's will satisfy your curiosity nor change your point of view. With that said, it has been done, both by management and ALPA. You better keep barking.
02-07-2011, 10:01 AM
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In that article about MSP and Gov Dayton, Dayton: Airport needs to have more options | StarTribune.com, I think all you need to know are these two lines:
Sounding a populist tone in support of passengers, Gov. Mark Dayton on Thursday called for greater competition among airlines at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport to curb ticket costs and provide better services.
and then this:
In an interview after the gathering, Dayton didn't offer specific strategies for fostering competition.
Sounding a populist tone in support of passengers, Gov. Mark Dayton on Thursday called for greater competition among airlines at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport to curb ticket costs and provide better services.
and then this:
In an interview after the gathering, Dayton didn't offer specific strategies for fostering competition.
The thing is, if Delta was not in MSP, who would be? What would become of the shopping Mall? Don't get me wrong, it is a beautiful city with a few nice people, but it is not exactly Disney World this time of year.
Seems like a big employer with operations that make your paycheck would be more appreciated by a local politician. Wonder how many Delta employees vote in the area?
02-07-2011, 10:06 AM
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I'm late for pick-up and will respond later, but this caught my eye. Isn't this what CMR has (senior Captains with long term FO's) and isn't that what's killing them in the pilot cost department? You understand that if you transferred that to DAL the result would be the same?
02-07-2011, 11:13 AM
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Come on, ACL. You're tap dancing around this like a seasoned politician. Without going back and finding the quotes, you either said "unity solves all problems" or you wholeheartedly agreed with it several times. Now you say the above? Sorry, pal... can't have it both ways.
Here's my take on "unity solves all problems". These guys are "unified!" Pay particular attention to the narration at the end of the clip.
YouTube - Lemming Migration Along the Norwegian Coast.
Here's my take on "unity solves all problems". These guys are "unified!" Pay particular attention to the narration at the end of the clip.
YouTube - Lemming Migration Along the Norwegian Coast.
I will save you the trouble. Bar said it and I agree. Point is the unity cannot solve items like Cabatoge or Foreign ownership, but a single unified voice of all pilots domestically though ALPA and internationally though IFALPA does solve the issue of each group going for what suits their purpose at that time. Having a group of independents with a lose affiliation actually hurts the profession as a whole.
Wrt to my other post that it does not solve everything; What that should be translated as, is: Unity cannot bring back your pay, retirement, etc with a wave of the unity wand. What it will do it unity the profession as a whole where each group quite worrying about I and once again worries about WE. It is a big deal, and it is the point on which ALPA was founded.
ALPA has, since its inception grappled with issues, but the deal with them internally. That is better for the profession, and long term you and I. Isolationism, and the basic lack of unity that an independent offers may for a short time help one pilot group's set of causes but over time, it will cause may issues.
As bar points out, there is no benefit for the RJET pilots to become ALPA. They fair better than our regional ALPA counter parts do with awarded flying. They are undercutting the profession and us for short term gains, when the long term gains are in jeopardy. You can argue that it is not them that awards the flying, and yes, to a point that is correct, but if we as a profession actually unified; regional, supplemental, LCC, Legacies and the like, the long term benefits far outweigh the snipping that would go on within our own house. Think if it as two brothers, they can hate each other, but when one goes after the other, they are steadfast allies. Same would be true on a single UNIFIED voice of the entire piloting profession.
The ideal of independence or a lose association on the national scale is horribly short sighted. I am not saying ALPA does not have work to do, they do, but do not shoot the profession in the foot over it. What needs to happen will not happen because, frankly pilots are just too selfish, and that trait plays in to any and all of our opponents goals and aspirations. Again, extremely short sighted.
02-07-2011, 11:27 AM
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Anyone having trouble logging in to the DALPA site this afternoon? I've been trying off and on for the past couple of hours. After I enter my ALPA # and password, I get the following message:
The page isn't redirecting properly
Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete.
* This problem can sometimes be caused by disabling or refusing to accept cookies.
I have not changed any settings in Firefox. I also just tried this using Safari and got the following message:
Safari cant open the page.
Too many redirects occurred trying to open Public. This might occur if you open a page that is redirected to open another page which then is redirected to open the original page.
The page isn't redirecting properly
Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete.
* This problem can sometimes be caused by disabling or refusing to accept cookies.
I have not changed any settings in Firefox. I also just tried this using Safari and got the following message:
Safari cant open the page.
Too many redirects occurred trying to open Public. This might occur if you open a page that is redirected to open another page which then is redirected to open the original page.
02-07-2011, 11:32 AM
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This whole sad affair ought to be taught at all the country's Business schools to the future Leo Mullins, Fred Reids, and Ed Bastians that outsourcing is not the be all and end all that it purports to be....but they probably wouldn't listen.
Sunday Buzz | A 'prescient' warning to Boeing on 787 trouble | Seattle Times Newspaper
A 'prescient' warning to Boeing on 787 trouble
Seattle Times business staff
In a late January appearance at Seattle University, Boeing Commercial Airplanes Chief Jim Albaugh talked about the lessons learned from the disastrous three years of delays on the 787 Dreamliner.
One bracing lesson that Albaugh was unusually candid about: the 787's global outsourcing strategy specifically intended to slash Boeing's costs backfired completely
"We spent a lot more money in trying to recover than we ever would have spent if we'd tried to keep the key technologies closer to home," Albaugh told his large audience of students and faculty.
Boeing was forced to compensate, support or buy out the partners it brought in to share the cost of the new jet's development, and now bears the brunt of additional costs due to the delays.
Some Wall Street analysts estimate those added costs at between $12 billion and $18 billion, on top of the $5 billion Boeing originally planned to invest.
Interviewed after the Seattle U. talk, Albaugh avoided directly criticizing the decisions of his predecessors
Seattle Times business staff
In a late January appearance at Seattle University, Boeing Commercial Airplanes Chief Jim Albaugh talked about the lessons learned from the disastrous three years of delays on the 787 Dreamliner.
One bracing lesson that Albaugh was unusually candid about: the 787's global outsourcing strategy specifically intended to slash Boeing's costs backfired completely
"We spent a lot more money in trying to recover than we ever would have spent if we'd tried to keep the key technologies closer to home," Albaugh told his large audience of students and faculty.
Boeing was forced to compensate, support or buy out the partners it brought in to share the cost of the new jet's development, and now bears the brunt of additional costs due to the delays.
Some Wall Street analysts estimate those added costs at between $12 billion and $18 billion, on top of the $5 billion Boeing originally planned to invest.
Interviewed after the Seattle U. talk, Albaugh avoided directly criticizing the decisions of his predecessors
Sunday Buzz | A 'prescient' warning to Boeing on 787 trouble | Seattle Times Newspaper
02-07-2011, 11:38 AM
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This whole sad affair ought to be taught at all the country's Business schools to the future Leo Mullins, Fred Reids, and Ed Bastians that outsourcing is not the be all and end all that it purports to be....but they probably wouldn't listen.
Sunday Buzz | A 'prescient' warning to Boeing on 787 trouble | Seattle Times Newspaper
Sunday Buzz | A 'prescient' warning to Boeing on 787 trouble | Seattle Times Newspaper
02-07-2011, 02:05 PM
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02-07-2011, 02:57 PM
veut gagner ΰ la loterie
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Absolutely right! This obsession with outsourcing is a business fad that we are having to suffer through right now. I predict that in a few years from now, business school textbooks will include a discussion of this era in business as an example of what not to do. People will just shake their heads and say, "what the heck were they thinking??!"
James Brian Quinn and Frederick G. Hilmer, “Strategic Outsourcing,” Sloan Management Review (Summer, 1994): 43-55.*
Most companies can substantially leverage their resources through strategic outsourcing by: 1.* developing a few well-selected core competencies of significance to customers and in which the company can be the best-in-the-world, 2.* focusing investment and management attention on these core competencies, and 3.* strategically outsourcing many other activities where it cannot be or need not be best.* There are always some inherent risks in outsourcing, but there are also risks and costs of insourcing.* When approached within a genuinely strategic framework, using the variety of outsourcing options available and analyzing the strategic issues, companies can overcome many of the costs and risks.***
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