Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-04-2011, 07:30 PM
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I know....Carl and I agreed on something earlier too. It's like I just threw up in my mouth a little.
(Kidding, I actually like Carl's passion, and I am glad that we can agree to disagree, and also agree to agree once in a while also!)
(Kidding, I actually like Carl's passion, and I am glad that we can agree to disagree, and also agree to agree once in a while also!)
02-04-2011, 08:28 PM
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Just a friendly reminder to all the drooling exRJ drivers out there.. The rates a great, but the rules are a million times more important. You can negotiate the rates, but once you loose the rules they are very hard to get back.
The company will try to play the game of modest increase in rates lowering the rules - be mindful of that.
And if you think if we'd ever get these rates back - think WE should and WE can.
It will take a fight, which will only be harder if too many of us feel "how lucky they are to finally make it to the majors!"
I think we should all be prep'ed for a couple of NO's on the first TA's and maybe a little walking off the job.
P.S. Sorry, overheard an inmature conversation in a crew room and had to vent..
The company will try to play the game of modest increase in rates lowering the rules - be mindful of that.
And if you think if we'd ever get these rates back - think WE should and WE can.
It will take a fight, which will only be harder if too many of us feel "how lucky they are to finally make it to the majors!"
I think we should all be prep'ed for a couple of NO's on the first TA's and maybe a little walking off the job.
P.S. Sorry, overheard an inmature conversation in a crew room and had to vent..
Thanks for pointing out what tricks the company has up it's sleeves...didn't see any of them coming. I don't think you have to worry about any of the junior folk afraid to vote no...I would worry about a certain percentage of others on the seniority list.
02-04-2011, 09:07 PM
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Baja;
Extremely poor form quoting that picture.
Let's get that out of our heads:
YouTube - sexy wedding night
Extremely poor form quoting that picture.
Let's get that out of our heads:
YouTube - sexy wedding night
Baja.
02-04-2011, 09:22 PM
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And don't forget about when he compared us to janitors. 
And this wasn't necessarily in his testimony... but don't forget about labeling our potential strike a "murder/suicide"... and then the whole turning the other employees against us thing. I could never have imagined that anyone could have such a complete lack of respect for what we do.
That was a very dark time and I'm glad it's behind us. The attitude towards us by the other employees was absolutely appalling. By far the worst thing I think I've ever seen in all of my career. I hope none of us ever see anything like that again. EVER.
And this wasn't necessarily in his testimony... but don't forget about labeling our potential strike a "murder/suicide"... and then the whole turning the other employees against us thing. I could never have imagined that anyone could have such a complete lack of respect for what we do.
That was a very dark time and I'm glad it's behind us. The attitude towards us by the other employees was absolutely appalling. By far the worst thing I think I've ever seen in all of my career. I hope none of us ever see anything like that again. EVER.
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02-04-2011, 09:53 PM
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... and while he stayed up at night worried about how much pilots were being paid for their work, his staff was writing checks in the millions to Mesa for work they had never performed. Mesa was paid performance bonuses over $3 million when their performance was so substandard that Delta eventually canceled their contract. Here's a brief recap for anyone interested in the details.
Inside Delta vs. Mesa: Court Ruling Tells a Tale of Overbilling and Confusion | BNET
Personally, hes very likely a fine gentleman. But, he had no business criticizing pilots doing their job while his employees in his department did not do their job.
Inside Delta vs. Mesa: Court Ruling Tells a Tale of Overbilling and Confusion | BNET
Personally, hes very likely a fine gentleman. But, he had no business criticizing pilots doing their job while his employees in his department did not do their job.
And when his staff wasn't cutting checks for Mesa they were paying retention bonuses for management types that mostly left anyway.
I wonder how many bonus $$$$$ were paid back? 
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02-05-2011, 03:40 AM
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Not future looking if the net increase is due to more WB A and less NB A.
I find it disingenuous when the talking heads try and portray a net loss of domestic NB flying to fewer RJ's (but more 76 seaters) as a "win" because it shifts the demographic curve more towards WB flying. Nice if you are in the seniority to get those extra WB A seats. Nice for junior F/O's who will get a WB B sooner, but still a net loss.
For the lower half of the list it means a lot longer in the right seat, where those pay raises we might get don't mean as much. I'd like to see a career earnings spreadsheet for several represeantive careers where the first A upgrade occurred in shifting year by year increments. Saw something like this at brand X, and the final analysis was you make more in career earnings with an upgrade than you do with incremental pay increases.
02-05-2011, 03:49 AM
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Anyone have info on a nice, clean commuter pad in the Kew Gardens area. I'm transferring to JFK in March. Thanks.
02-05-2011, 03:52 AM
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) I hear there is a "black ops" unit up there devoted to the task.
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02-05-2011, 04:44 AM
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02-05-2011, 04:44 AM
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