Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-03-2011, 11:29 AM
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AirTran presentation:
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External...R5cGU9MQ==&t=1
Republic information:
Republic Airways plays it closer to the chest than usual | Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation - CAPA
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External...R5cGU9MQ==&t=1
Republic information:
Republic Airways plays it closer to the chest than usual | Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation - CAPA
Look at the BH utilization and stage lenght. Those skew the numbers quite a bit. 433 miles for DL DC-9 vs 994 miles for YX Ejet? I think you need to look at similar stage lenghts and block hour to get an accurate comparision.
I mean really, I bet Delta flies the -9 a bit more than 6.7 hours per day.
02-03-2011, 11:31 AM
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02-03-2011, 11:33 AM
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Look at the BH utilization and stage lenght. Those skew the numbers quite a bit. 433 miles for DL DC-9 vs 994 miles for YX Ejet? I think you need to look at similar stage lenghts and block hour to get an accurate comparision.
I mean really, I bet Delta flies the -9 a bit more than 6.7 hours per day.
I mean really, I bet Delta flies the -9 a bit more than 6.7 hours per day.
So, not even actual numbers!
Also, I'm a little surprised that for Delta's DC-9, that maintenance and crew costs add up to $2,461 a block hour. The airplanes are depreciated and have no lease payments, so ownership cost should be almost zero.
Remember, there are Lies, Damned Lies and statistics.
02-03-2011, 11:34 AM
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In August 2009, a total of 109 MD-90 aircraft (all variants) were in airline service, including:
- Saudi Arabian Airlines (29)
- Delta Air Lines (28)
- Japan Airlines (16)[24] (Being sold during bankruptcy)
- China Southern (13)
- Uni Air (5)
- EVA Airways (6)
- Blue1 (5) (To be removed from service and leased to Delta)
- Hello Airlines (3) (To be removed from service and leased to Delta)
- Lion Air (5)
02-03-2011, 11:35 AM
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I wouldn't say they are "mystical" MD-90s, we've recently taken delivery and operating 3, for a total of 19 on the line and there are 12 in storage under going maintenance/conversion. Ed said we'd acquire about 20 more. I'm sticking with at least 49 MD-90s in the fleet in the next 18 months, possibly more.
In storage:
ship number-type-date of manufacture
9220 - MD-90-30 - 07-Oct-97
9221 - MD-90-30 - 07-Oct-97
9222 - MD-90-30 - 14-Dec-97
9223 - MD-90-30 - 30-Mar-98
9224 - MD-90-30 - 30-Jun-98
9225 - MD-90-30 - 01-Oct-98
9226 - MD-90-30 - 13-Dec-98
9227 - MD-90-30 - 26-Mar-99
9228 - MD-90-30 - 31-Mar-99
9229 - MD-90-30 - 14-Nov-96
9230 - MD-90-30 - 31-Oct-96
9265 - MD-90-30 - 19-Sept-00
In storage:
ship number-type-date of manufacture
9220 - MD-90-30 - 07-Oct-97
9221 - MD-90-30 - 07-Oct-97
9222 - MD-90-30 - 14-Dec-97
9223 - MD-90-30 - 30-Mar-98
9224 - MD-90-30 - 30-Jun-98
9225 - MD-90-30 - 01-Oct-98
9226 - MD-90-30 - 13-Dec-98
9227 - MD-90-30 - 26-Mar-99
9228 - MD-90-30 - 31-Mar-99
9229 - MD-90-30 - 14-Nov-96
9230 - MD-90-30 - 31-Oct-96
9265 - MD-90-30 - 19-Sept-00
I'm not so much interested in aircraft we "will" see, as airplanes I can see. I'm not debating your info, only waiting for it to be proven. You can't blame me for waiting for confirmation: the gap between rumored and delivered MD-90's is significant.
I'm not discounting your info, let's just say I'm... deferring it.
02-03-2011, 11:37 AM
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Yep, did you read Note 2 on the YX numbers as well? It says, "YX E190 started operating in Q3 2009, stats represent internal forecasts".
So, not even actual numbers!
Also, I'm a little surprised that for Delta's DC-9, that maintenance and crew costs add up to $2,461 a block hour. The airplanes are depreciated and have no lease payments, so ownership cost should be almost zero.
Remember, there are Lies, Damned Lies and statistics.
So, not even actual numbers!
Also, I'm a little surprised that for Delta's DC-9, that maintenance and crew costs add up to $2,461 a block hour. The airplanes are depreciated and have no lease payments, so ownership cost should be almost zero.
Remember, there are Lies, Damned Lies and statistics.
02-03-2011, 11:40 AM
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Are the costs of owning an airplane included in direct operating costs? I'm not being sarcastic, only asking what the terms mean.
02-03-2011, 11:42 AM
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I guess it depends on how you define it, but on that slide, they state, "DOC is comprised of fuel, maintenance, crew cost, and aircraft ownership costs including interest expense."
02-03-2011, 11:44 AM
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Does anyone know if Delta put together a Powerpoint presentation for that conference like AirTran did?
02-03-2011, 11:51 AM
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