Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-25-2011, 07:45 AM
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More crew bases means less commuters, which is a good thing. I cannot believe the amount of commuters between BOS and LGA. The amount of hotels that the company has to absorb is crazy. The days of needing a chief pilot and staffing to support a crew base are long gone. I have been flying with a few fdal fo's lately who love the 320.
01-25-2011, 08:06 AM
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International categories have been able to fly domestic rotations at Delta for at least the last 30 years. It really would not be workable in many bases to have it any other way. The company needs the ability to fly domestic legs with some international crews.
What has caused the current problem is not international crews being allowed to fly domestic legs. The problem is caused by the huge cut in international pay and how it is applied. Prior to the 1113 contract international pay was 15 dollars an hour for CA's and 10 for FO's. It applied to all operations in a international category including reserve guarantee, DH, domestic legs ect.. It is now 6 and 4 dollars an hour and only applies to actual international flying.
Prior to the 1113 contract the economic penalty was to high for the company to combine the categories and pay out all that international pay. The company could when needed fly domestic legs in the international categories but paid a penalty to do so. They only used that option when it was really required.
I believe one of the reasons they are rushing to get the 767 converted to all ER is so in the next contract when we open to restore international pay and how it is applied to the old standard they will claim its now way to expensive since the categories are combined. The answer to the company should be "I guess you will have to reopen the domestic categories" Contract surveys are coming soon. Get your wish lists ready. Going back to the old standard of international pay will certainly be high on my list.
What has caused the current problem is not international crews being allowed to fly domestic legs. The problem is caused by the huge cut in international pay and how it is applied. Prior to the 1113 contract international pay was 15 dollars an hour for CA's and 10 for FO's. It applied to all operations in a international category including reserve guarantee, DH, domestic legs ect.. It is now 6 and 4 dollars an hour and only applies to actual international flying.
Prior to the 1113 contract the economic penalty was to high for the company to combine the categories and pay out all that international pay. The company could when needed fly domestic legs in the international categories but paid a penalty to do so. They only used that option when it was really required.
I believe one of the reasons they are rushing to get the 767 converted to all ER is so in the next contract when we open to restore international pay and how it is applied to the old standard they will claim its now way to expensive since the categories are combined. The answer to the company should be "I guess you will have to reopen the domestic categories" Contract surveys are coming soon. Get your wish lists ready. Going back to the old standard of international pay will certainly be high on my list.
What are your thoughts on the opposite extreme, like the 737 where the jet is used for Flag operations, but just barely?
767 pay does need increase on a relative basis in any event.
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 01-25-2011 at 08:19 AM.
01-25-2011, 08:17 AM
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More crew bases means less commuters, which is a good thing. I cannot believe the amount of commuters between BOS and LGA. The amount of hotels that the company has to absorb is crazy. The days of needing a chief pilot and staffing to support a crew base are long gone. I have been flying with a few fdal fo's lately who love the 320.
There is no reason we can not have a virtual chief pilot or make places like BOS a satellite of NYC, or MCO a satellite of ATL. They out source most HR functions and drug tests. If something happens that is a jeopardy situation, most of that is going to end up in ATL eventually anyway.
I don't even think a CPO secretary on site is a requirement.
01-25-2011, 08:31 AM
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International categories have been able to fly domestic rotations at Delta for at least the last 30 years. It really would not be workable in many bases to have it any other way. The company needs the ability to fly domestic legs with some international crews.
What has caused the current problem is not international crews being allowed to fly domestic legs. The problem is caused by the huge cut in international pay and how it is applied. Prior to the 1113 contract international pay was 15 dollars an hour for CA's and 10 for FO's. It applied to all operations in a international category including reserve guarantee, DH, domestic legs ect.. It is now 6 and 4 dollars an hour and only applies to actual international flying.
Prior to the 1113 contract the economic penalty was to high for the company to combine the categories and pay out all that international pay. The company could when needed fly domestic legs in the international categories but paid a penalty to do so. They only used that option when it was really required.
I believe one of the reasons they are rushing to get the 767 converted to all ER is so in the next contract when we open to restore international pay and how it is applied to the old standard they will claim its now way to expensive since the categories are combined. The answer to the company should be "I guess you will have to reopen the domestic categories" Contract surveys are coming soon. Get your wish lists ready. Going back to the old standard of international pay will certainly be high on my list.
What has caused the current problem is not international crews being allowed to fly domestic legs. The problem is caused by the huge cut in international pay and how it is applied. Prior to the 1113 contract international pay was 15 dollars an hour for CA's and 10 for FO's. It applied to all operations in a international category including reserve guarantee, DH, domestic legs ect.. It is now 6 and 4 dollars an hour and only applies to actual international flying.
Prior to the 1113 contract the economic penalty was to high for the company to combine the categories and pay out all that international pay. The company could when needed fly domestic legs in the international categories but paid a penalty to do so. They only used that option when it was really required.
I believe one of the reasons they are rushing to get the 767 converted to all ER is so in the next contract when we open to restore international pay and how it is applied to the old standard they will claim its now way to expensive since the categories are combined. The answer to the company should be "I guess you will have to reopen the domestic categories" Contract surveys are coming soon. Get your wish lists ready. Going back to the old standard of international pay will certainly be high on my list.
As far as it being "workable", I think the combination of international and domestic legs are problematic too.. Example: I was supposed to give a TOE to a captain whose trip went DTW-ATL-PIT-CDG... Because of IROPS, the ENTIRE rotation got cancelled, and skeds wound up scrambling to cover (who knows how many flights). I realize that that is along the same lines as snow removal in ATL.. an acceptable risk, but it seems to have a greater potential to cause problems, and those problems are complex. I guess what bothers me is that the touted synergies of the combined domestic/international -ER category is mostly being realized in head count reduction only because the number of DHs and hub layovers is still pretty staggering. Some of that could be because of the FA situation, and once that is resolved, things might improve.. I dunno. All in all though, improving the international pay will be high on my list too. Too bad the horse will not only be out of the barn.. it will be so far down the road he will belong to somebody else.... still a failure of the association in my opinion because they should have seen this coming. I certainly did... it was pretty obvious.
01-25-2011, 09:05 AM
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Here's another one that needs fixin' ASAP... why is it that the company can deadhead me on mesaba or compass, but I cant positive space dv8 deadhead on them?
01-25-2011, 09:12 AM
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How does the following change anyone's thoughts of an AK purchase?
"Alaska also ordered 15 new Boeing jets, most of them 737- 900ER twin-engine aircraft that can carry up to 215 passengers and fly longer distances than other jets in the 737 family. The planes will be delivered starting next year.
The company also said its Horizon Air regional unit, which is switching to an all-Q400 turboprop fleet made by Bombardier Inc., will drop its stylized sun logo and repaint its planes with Alaska’s Eskimo brand."
Baja.
"Alaska also ordered 15 new Boeing jets, most of them 737- 900ER twin-engine aircraft that can carry up to 215 passengers and fly longer distances than other jets in the 737 family. The planes will be delivered starting next year.
The company also said its Horizon Air regional unit, which is switching to an all-Q400 turboprop fleet made by Bombardier Inc., will drop its stylized sun logo and repaint its planes with Alaska’s Eskimo brand."
Baja.
01-25-2011, 09:22 AM
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Either way, momma Delta is paying the freight. Seems like someone would be smart enough to realize there is a distinction being made with no practical difference.
01-25-2011, 09:24 AM
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How does the following change anyone's thoughts of an AK purchase?
"Alaska also ordered 15 new Boeing jets, most of them 737- 900ER twin-engine aircraft that can carry up to 215 passengers and fly longer distances than other jets in the 737 family. The planes will be delivered starting next year.
The company also said its Horizon Air regional unit, which is switching to an all-Q400 turboprop fleet made by Bombardier Inc., will drop its stylized sun logo and repaint its planes with Alaska’s Eskimo brand."
Baja.
"Alaska also ordered 15 new Boeing jets, most of them 737- 900ER twin-engine aircraft that can carry up to 215 passengers and fly longer distances than other jets in the 737 family. The planes will be delivered starting next year.
The company also said its Horizon Air regional unit, which is switching to an all-Q400 turboprop fleet made by Bombardier Inc., will drop its stylized sun logo and repaint its planes with Alaska’s Eskimo brand."
Baja.
AK has some pilots out on the street still. What is the correct stock play if there's a merger?
01-25-2011, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Aviation Leak and Space Technology
In other news, Seattle and Portland based pilots have expressed concern about VREF speeds measured in percent of the speed of light, landing distance charts which get confusing due to the decimal places, 4 degree tail strike angles and the inability to fly as high as Alaska's Q400 propjetaturboamathingy's.
Chuck Yeager, former rocket powered F104 pilot, stated "that thing kinda lands fast."
Boeing is considering replacement of the APU with a drag chute. Boeing references the 737-900 SLR its first hybrid jet. Regenerative braking will supply the jet's ground power needs by using the red hot brakes to energize a steam generator.
Chuck Yeager, former rocket powered F104 pilot, stated "that thing kinda lands fast."
Boeing is considering replacement of the APU with a drag chute. Boeing references the 737-900 SLR its first hybrid jet. Regenerative braking will supply the jet's ground power needs by using the red hot brakes to energize a steam generator.
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01-25-2011, 09:35 AM
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Their position also makes sense for Alaska's share holders. If you VALUE what you are selling, it costs more for the buyer. (a lesson ALPA could learn)
Richard Anderson's comments have made a lot of sense, as does our current arrangement. If something else happens it will likely be the result of mitigating risk and be expensive.
Alternatively, Alaska could become so dependent on our code that they become addicted as Comair and ASA were. In Delta's history the repeat pattern has been that we'd call and threaten to turn off the code share. Management and shareholders of the acquired airline quickly figured out what that would mean and sold to Delta at a discount.
Oh the drama and intrigue of outsourced flying.
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