Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-19-2009, 03:47 PM
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Would it have been better for Delta with Northwest... and I am going to totally get flamed for this but I'm fine being flamee just not being the flamer... if oil had stayed at $150 a barrel for just a few months longer?
Would it have eliminated some competition by now? I know its mean to say that and trust me I'm not trying to be mean because I'd been furloughed months ago if that had been the case, but I'm just wondering if the merged Delta would have had fewer competitors and a stronger position if $120-150bb would've lasted until the middle of this year?
Would it have eliminated some competition by now? I know its mean to say that and trust me I'm not trying to be mean because I'd been furloughed months ago if that had been the case, but I'm just wondering if the merged Delta would have had fewer competitors and a stronger position if $120-150bb would've lasted until the middle of this year?
03-19-2009, 04:50 PM
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I agree with that. It went down too soon. But on the flip side you did not get furloughed.
The decline in revenue will do the same thing. IMHO
The decline in revenue will do the same thing. IMHO
03-19-2009, 05:13 PM
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The dollar is being devalued and oil is going up...we will all lose.
03-19-2009, 05:34 PM
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Oil is up, sucks... but with this economy in the state that its in I don't think oil can climb very much before demand falls, reserves mount and it falls out again. I think $4 was the limit last time and $2 might be it this time... lets hope.
$150 oil was a bubble, $60 oil a fart. I hope.
$150 oil was a bubble, $60 oil a fart. I hope.
03-19-2009, 06:03 PM
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It will go up significantly as we see a recovery. The US dollar is going to be worth nothing. I would not be shocked to see 7-10% inflation when the recovery kicks in. We have printed way too much money. The only way to combat this is by taking money out of the system. I do not see that happening any time soon.
Also remember that OPEC has taken over 4 million barrels a day out of the market. That will drive up costs too.
Also remember that OPEC has taken over 4 million barrels a day out of the market. That will drive up costs too.
03-19-2009, 07:34 PM
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Is outsourcing of pilots a future area of cost savings for the airline industry?
Delta/TPG outsources Midwest flights to Republic and United outsourses its flights to Aer Lingus...
March 16, 2009
United Airlines is preparing to outsource some international flying, a move likely to spark an uproar as the carrier opens contract talks with its pilots April 9.
Other U.S. carriers and their unions are closely watching a venture being created by Chicago-based United and Aer Lingus that will use non-union crews on new flights from Washington-Dulles International Airport to Madrid, set to begin in March 2010. The carriers plan to add service to two other cities in 2011.
United will provide marketing muscle to the partnership as well as passengers from Dulles, its second-largest hub. The Irish carrier will contribute three new Airbus A330 jets to the Europe-based venture and recruit pilots who aren't employees of either airline to fly them.
If the venture is successful, it could be a model for other carriers to outsource trans-Atlantic flying, cutting labor costs and potentially undermining unionized pilots, a group with the greatest clout over airline operations, analysts said. It also could encourage United to seek broader partnerships with larger European players, such as Germany's Lufthansa
Delta/TPG outsources Midwest flights to Republic and United outsourses its flights to Aer Lingus...
March 16, 2009
United Airlines is preparing to outsource some international flying, a move likely to spark an uproar as the carrier opens contract talks with its pilots April 9.
Other U.S. carriers and their unions are closely watching a venture being created by Chicago-based United and Aer Lingus that will use non-union crews on new flights from Washington-Dulles International Airport to Madrid, set to begin in March 2010. The carriers plan to add service to two other cities in 2011.
United will provide marketing muscle to the partnership as well as passengers from Dulles, its second-largest hub. The Irish carrier will contribute three new Airbus A330 jets to the Europe-based venture and recruit pilots who aren't employees of either airline to fly them.
If the venture is successful, it could be a model for other carriers to outsource trans-Atlantic flying, cutting labor costs and potentially undermining unionized pilots, a group with the greatest clout over airline operations, analysts said. It also could encourage United to seek broader partnerships with larger European players, such as Germany's Lufthansa
03-19-2009, 10:20 PM
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Cool, an international Go Jets. 
Section 1 E. Permitted Arrangements with Foreign Air Carriers
1. Section 1 C. will not apply to international partner flying.
2. Without the consent of the Delta MEC,
neither the Company nor any affiliate will enter into or maintain an agreement or arrangement with any foreign air carrier performing international partner flying that permits the Company or any affiliate to book or ticket under the Company’s or affiliate’s designator code, reserve, block, and/or purchase for resale:
a. more than 50% of the passenger seats in any month on any pair of flight segments in a city pair (e.g., CDG-ATL-CDG) of such foreign air carrier,
b. a monthly average of more than 175 passenger seats per flight segment (e.g., CDG-ATL or ATL-CDG) of such foreign air carrier to and from destinations other than Mexico, the Caribbean, Canada or Central America, or
c. a monthly average of more than 100 passenger seats per flight segment of such foreign air carrier to and from Mexico, the Caribbean, Canada or Central America.
...
There is more to this section, I just grabbed a small part.
Section 1 E. Permitted Arrangements with Foreign Air Carriers
1. Section 1 C. will not apply to international partner flying.
2. Without the consent of the Delta MEC,
neither the Company nor any affiliate will enter into or maintain an agreement or arrangement with any foreign air carrier performing international partner flying that permits the Company or any affiliate to book or ticket under the Company’s or affiliate’s designator code, reserve, block, and/or purchase for resale:a. more than 50% of the passenger seats in any month on any pair of flight segments in a city pair (e.g., CDG-ATL-CDG) of such foreign air carrier,
b. a monthly average of more than 175 passenger seats per flight segment (e.g., CDG-ATL or ATL-CDG) of such foreign air carrier to and from destinations other than Mexico, the Caribbean, Canada or Central America, or
c. a monthly average of more than 100 passenger seats per flight segment of such foreign air carrier to and from Mexico, the Caribbean, Canada or Central America.
...
There is more to this section, I just grabbed a small part.
Last edited by forgot to bid; 03-19-2009 at 10:31 PM.
03-20-2009, 06:26 AM
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Never mind ...
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03-20-2009, 01:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Killer51883
It shouldnt just be large RJ flying. Anything that is painted like a mainline paint job or code share should be a mainline job.
Ditto, we have to stop the divide and conquer technique being used by management to lower the airline pilot profession.
DALPA is in the drivers seat... make us proud!
Originally Posted by Killer51883
It shouldnt just be large RJ flying. Anything that is painted like a mainline paint job or code share should be a mainline job.
Ditto, we have to stop the divide and conquer technique being used by management to lower the airline pilot profession.
DALPA is in the drivers seat... make us proud!
03-21-2009, 06:29 AM
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There was the dot com bubble, the housing bubble, the oil bubble, the legacy airline pilot pay bubble and the 50-seat rj bubble.
All popped.
I don't want to see 50-seat RJs at mainline especially if the company keeps trying to get rid of them. It'd been good if they had originally gone to mainline, probably wouldn't have been as many and maybe it would've inspired a 100 seat 732/DC9 replacement by the late 1990s or early part of this decade. You know, you probably would've only had a fraction of the number of CRJ200s, probably would've never seen the ERJ-145 nor the CRJ-700 and we would've probably seen a lot more Saab 2000s, Dash 8-300s and the stretched EMB-123.
Of course, the 50-seat rj bubble was good to me personally but it was plain as day when I was flying them that we were just replacing mainline CAL, we all knew it. Really, we all would've rather had the rjs sitting over at mainline and instead flying ATR 42s or Dash 8s to build time to get a mainline job instead of seeing mainline shrink and us continue to grow with our "paying our dues" bs salaries and work rules.
All popped.
I don't want to see 50-seat RJs at mainline especially if the company keeps trying to get rid of them. It'd been good if they had originally gone to mainline, probably wouldn't have been as many and maybe it would've inspired a 100 seat 732/DC9 replacement by the late 1990s or early part of this decade. You know, you probably would've only had a fraction of the number of CRJ200s, probably would've never seen the ERJ-145 nor the CRJ-700 and we would've probably seen a lot more Saab 2000s, Dash 8-300s and the stretched EMB-123.
Of course, the 50-seat rj bubble was good to me personally but it was plain as day when I was flying them that we were just replacing mainline CAL, we all knew it. Really, we all would've rather had the rjs sitting over at mainline and instead flying ATR 42s or Dash 8s to build time to get a mainline job instead of seeing mainline shrink and us continue to grow with our "paying our dues" bs salaries and work rules.
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