Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-20-2011, 10:17 AM
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Just because a junior person gets bumped out of a category doesn't mean he will be the junior guy in his next category.
When thing go backwards this is one way to move categories if you are a commuter who is mid pack in category and then going to be on reserve with a displacement.
Denny
01-20-2011, 10:43 AM
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You mean the threat, which has never been carried out much less carried out and upheld in their favor, to use the 1113 process to gut scope.
Outsourcing was given up out of fear in bad times and out of greed in good times. And there was plenty of scope given up in the good times as well, of course, scope recapture in good times that was never attempted as the focus was always on "so and so plus" CBA's even and especially at the expense of scope.
Even if the 1113 excuse was 100% valid, which it isn't, it would be cancelled out and then some by the numerous "restoration" and "taking it back" and "summer of love" and "parity plus" and "choke the golden goose" contracts that passed by sizable margins in good times at all the legacy airlines. Outsourcing has now reached critical mass. Its time to start getting it back or there will be no lasting gains from our C12K or any other contract if all we are left with is fighting over the scraps we left ourselves while such a massive portion of our flying is being perpetually shopped to the lowest bidder.
Outsourcing was given up out of fear in bad times and out of greed in good times. And there was plenty of scope given up in the good times as well, of course, scope recapture in good times that was never attempted as the focus was always on "so and so plus" CBA's even and especially at the expense of scope.
Even if the 1113 excuse was 100% valid, which it isn't, it would be cancelled out and then some by the numerous "restoration" and "taking it back" and "summer of love" and "parity plus" and "choke the golden goose" contracts that passed by sizable margins in good times at all the legacy airlines. Outsourcing has now reached critical mass. Its time to start getting it back or there will be no lasting gains from our C12K or any other contract if all we are left with is fighting over the scraps we left ourselves while such a massive portion of our flying is being perpetually shopped to the lowest bidder.
01-20-2011, 11:02 AM
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Reminds me of a story back in my active duty days. We had to show extremely early and unfortunately the mission was slipped 24 hours.
As I pulled into the parking lot early the next day, I parked next to our mission commander's truck (he was a LtCol). I could see that he was asleep inside. As I gathered my deployment bags etc, he woke up and slowly started to gather his stuff and exit his truck. He looked very tired as if he had a rough nights sleep. I asked him how long he'd been asleep there. He said to me, "I couldn't go home yesterday. I know the wife's boyfriend would be there and I'd rather not meet him." I said to him laughing, "You're kidding right?" He looked at me in a serious tone and said, "Does it look like I'm kidding?"
Good times.
As I pulled into the parking lot early the next day, I parked next to our mission commander's truck (he was a LtCol). I could see that he was asleep inside. As I gathered my deployment bags etc, he woke up and slowly started to gather his stuff and exit his truck. He looked very tired as if he had a rough nights sleep. I asked him how long he'd been asleep there. He said to me, "I couldn't go home yesterday. I know the wife's boyfriend would be there and I'd rather not meet him." I said to him laughing, "You're kidding right?" He looked at me in a serious tone and said, "Does it look like I'm kidding?"
Good times.
Guess it could have been worse........sort of.
On my first base as new cop Lt, everyone still talked about the Vice Wing Commander, who used to go by and "comfort" wives while their husbands were TDY to Guam during the Viet Nam era.
Guess he did a lot of comforting, when the scandal broke there were numerous wives who came forward. Guess the moron always drove his staff car to the visits so dates and times were easy enough to track
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01-20-2011, 11:06 AM
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Suppose there is 1 displacement in your category.
You are the number one guy in your category (7ER captain for example), and you could hold 777 captain.
You cannot displace to the 777 A seat unless the most junior guy (the one that would be involuntarily displaced) can hold that seat. After that, your normal seniority rights apply.
01-20-2011, 11:11 AM
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Let me correct this for you sailing.
There are however pilots on here who can't post a single good thing about DALPA/ALPA.
By the way, why is it that sailing and slow and scambo and the other ALPA insiders always disappear whenever the words "Flight Pay Loss released to constituents in written format" are mentioned.
There are however pilots on here who can't post a single good thing about DALPA/ALPA.
By the way, why is it that sailing and slow and scambo and the other ALPA insiders always disappear whenever the words "Flight Pay Loss released to constituents in written format" are mentioned.
Scambo?
Duuuude...not an insider. I am and always have been a line pilot. Volunteered for a committee many years ago, didn't have a mustache. I would also like to see FPL data posted monthly on the DALPA website.
01-20-2011, 11:51 AM
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I can't cite the contract part, but here's the way I understand it:
Suppose there is 1 displacement in your category.
You are the number one guy in your category (7ER captain for example), and you could hold 777 captain.
You cannot displace to the 777 A seat unless the most junior guy (the one that would be involuntarily displaced) can hold that seat. After that, your normal seniority rights apply.
Suppose there is 1 displacement in your category.
You are the number one guy in your category (7ER captain for example), and you could hold 777 captain.
You cannot displace to the 777 A seat unless the most junior guy (the one that would be involuntarily displaced) can hold that seat. After that, your normal seniority rights apply.
Correct. A VD uses the seniority of the guy getting MDed to get in to the new seat, and then your system seniority applies.
01-20-2011, 11:59 AM
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The FMS section of the systems home study is PAINFUL!!! Wish I could take a test and 'opt out' of the 2 hour study guide.
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01-20-2011, 12:19 PM
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Its been pointed out many times that scope was the last thing settled on the last several contracts. It was not concluded until long after everything else was done. When the allowed more E170/175's we did not get paybacks in other contract areas. It was forced on us by circumstances and the 1113 process.
A negotiation took place where scope relaxation was monetized in the form of bargaining credits and distributed amongst other parts of the contract(s). The Negotiator's Notepad publications, ZipLines and Testimony all document what happened.
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01-20-2011, 12:34 PM
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I was able to take advantage of this first hand. When there were displacements in ATL, I was able to take a VD from the ATL7ER to LAX7ER even though the junior ATL 7ER pilots were not senior enough to hold LAX. To be honest, I wasn't aware of the exception at the time and was surprised when I was awarded the position. Another testimony to "Bid what you want, want what you bid."
01-20-2011, 12:49 PM
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Bored (yes I should be doing my training CD, but) and ran across this. I used to watch the "Banana Boats" go past AZ State when I was a kid and my goal was to be a Hughes pilot someday. Guess you can say I made it.
But, looking at the route map, can you imagine how little we would need Alaska if Republic would have had the balls to run a western airline?
and what about combined with this one?
I've always been interested in the "what could have been" in history.
But, looking at the route map, can you imagine how little we would need Alaska if Republic would have had the balls to run a western airline?
and what about combined with this one?
I've always been interested in the "what could have been" in history.
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