Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-18-2011, 05:18 PM
veut gagner à la loterie
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From the AE bid out today:
"We expect this bid to put us in a solid position to support the scheduled 2011 summer flying. We plan to publish our next bid in the second quarter of 2011 to support the proposed fall 2011 flying. It will most likely be a 365 day bid and will include some changes to the A330 and A319/320 basing. We will let you know more as we get closer to that bid."
Comments???? 330's to LAX?? LOL. Bye bye 320 MSP...Hello ATL from what I heard in MSP last week.
Baja.
"We expect this bid to put us in a solid position to support the scheduled 2011 summer flying. We plan to publish our next bid in the second quarter of 2011 to support the proposed fall 2011 flying. It will most likely be a 365 day bid and will include some changes to the A330 and A319/320 basing. We will let you know more as we get closer to that bid."
Comments???? 330's to LAX?? LOL. Bye bye 320 MSP...Hello ATL from what I heard in MSP last week.
Baja.
Guess the good times on 88 reserve are about to end.
Repent! 10 hail marry's and regurgitation of all 4 limitations and 3 memory items followed by what the flow light means should suffice. for now. keep it up and you're going to have to recite where every light rheostat is located buddy...
THERAPY...
So I got displaced a year ago to the 73N (started class in May), and it still has the "i would like to be reinstated to the 767B" box on my AE. Is that still valid? How long are my reinstatement rights even though there have been 2 other AEs?
Just pondering the options.
Just pondering the options.
01-18-2011, 05:20 PM
Da Hudge
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01-18-2011, 05:22 PM
No longer cares
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If they open a 330 base in ATL the time has to come from some base. With them adding time in DTW on the 330 it would hint that all the time will come out of the SEA base. This of course assumes a 330 base in Atlanta. The company may decide just to keep dead heading people back and forth.
Edit, Forgot we had a 330 base in MSP. Time could come form MSP or SEA. Here is a statement from the company.
We expect this bid to put us in a solid position to support the scheduled 2011 summer flying. We plan to publish our next bid in the second quarter of 2011 to support the proposed fall 2011 flying. It will most likely be a 365 day bid and will include some changes to the A330 and A319/320 basing. We will let you know more as we get closer to that bid.
Edit, Forgot we had a 330 base in MSP. Time could come form MSP or SEA. Here is a statement from the company.
We expect this bid to put us in a solid position to support the scheduled 2011 summer flying. We plan to publish our next bid in the second quarter of 2011 to support the proposed fall 2011 flying. It will most likely be a 365 day bid and will include some changes to the A330 and A319/320 basing. We will let you know more as we get closer to that bid.
Now if they can just figure out what to do with the 764... BUt I thought in your original post you were talking about the entire SEA base. I agree with your assessment.
01-18-2011, 05:32 PM
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80, it is six months from your conversion date. If you had a mid month conversion then it may still be good by a few days. Literally.
01-18-2011, 05:35 PM
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Off the top of my head, I honestly haven't noticed that. Most of the comments I've seen seem to be oriented around dissatisfaction with compensation and scope, not actually working at Delta Air Lines.
1) You would have to prove to me your assertion that "far more and better jobs were lost to work rule changes." I don't doubt that some jobs were lost due to that, but I think far more were lost to the RJ's than any other factor or combination of factors.
2) Have you considered that many of us don't necessarily want to fly as much as possible but need to fly as much as possible because our pay is otherwise too low and also because many of us are trying to rebuild our retirements after the loss of the pension?
1) You would have to prove to me your assertion that "far more and better jobs were lost to work rule changes." I don't doubt that some jobs were lost due to that, but I think far more were lost to the RJ's than any other factor or combination of factors.
2) Have you considered that many of us don't necessarily want to fly as much as possible but need to fly as much as possible because our pay is otherwise too low and also because many of us are trying to rebuild our retirements after the loss of the pension?
The total block hours flown on average in 2001 were the same as the block hours flown in June of 2007 pre merger. You would expect that would yield the same number of pilots. Sadly it did not. We were flying the 07 schedule with 2500 fewer line pilots. Down from 10,000 to 7500. That was a direct result of a hundred or more work rule changes to increase productivity. Those jobs lost are equally spread across the fleet spectrum from 777 CA to MD88 FO.
01-18-2011, 05:47 PM
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The total block hours flown on average in 2001 were the same as the block hours flown in June of 2007 pre merger. You would expect that would yield the same number of pilots. Sadly it did not. We were flying the 07 schedule with 2500 fewer line pilots. Down from 10,000 to 7500. That was a direct result of a hundred or more work rule changes to increase productivity. Those jobs lost are equally spread across the fleet spectrum from 777 CA to MD88 FO.
Oh... and this may be a stupid question, but are block hours the only determinant of how many pilots you need?
01-18-2011, 05:47 PM
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The total block hours flown on average in 2001 were the same as the block hours flown in June of 2007 pre merger. You would expect that would yield the same number of pilots. Sadly it did not. We were flying the 07 schedule with 2500 fewer line pilots. Down from 10,000 to 7500. That was a direct result of a hundred or more work rule changes to increase productivity. Those jobs lost are equally spread across the fleet spectrum from 777 CA to MD88 FO.
You keep making this argument.... while it is valid, it's ridiculous and making you look the same. So mainline flew the same amount of block hours in 2001 as 2007? Neat. How much TOTAL (Delta branded) block hours were done in comparison?
Think about how many more pilot jobs we would have had such a massive % of our domestic flying not been outsourced ?
01-18-2011, 05:50 PM
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You keep making this argument.... while it is valid, it's ridiculous and making you look the same. So mainline flew the same amount of block hours in 2001 as 2007? Neat. How much TOTAL (Delta branded) block hours were done in comparison?
Think about how many more pilot jobs we would have had such a massive % of our domestic flying not been outsourced ?
Think about how many more pilot jobs we would have had such a massive % of our domestic flying not been outsourced ?
01-18-2011, 05:51 PM
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There are however pilots on here who can't post a single good thing about working at Delta airlines.
Jobs have been lost to outsourcing but far more and better jobs were lost to work rule changes yet most seem to want to ignore that because they personally want to fly as much as possible.
Jobs have been lost to outsourcing but far more and better jobs were lost to work rule changes yet most seem to want to ignore that because they personally want to fly as much as possible.
(2) Most thinking Delta pilots would like an affirmative statement from their MEC expressing the opinion that ALL DELTA JOBS ARE VALUABLE. The concept that some jobs are better than others leads to negotiations which inevitably place the representation of one pilot superior to the representation of another pilot who is inferior. As a union, ALPA has a duty to treat all of its members equally.
I know what you were getting at, but we need to stop seeing a DC9 FO as different than a 747 Captain. Every Delta job is important. Every Delta pilot represented gives our MEC the same power and leverage at the bargaining table. The slice of the pie we represent is our relevance.
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Despite the complaining, not many pilots are leaving Delta. It is a good place to work. Like you, every one here is motivated to make it better. Sitting near the coaches it might sound like we guys in the cheap seats are complaining, but believe me, there is no better game in town to have a seat at. Certainly I appreciate the work every one does, but continuous improvement means never settling.
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 01-18-2011 at 07:03 PM.
01-18-2011, 05:55 PM
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80, DCI employs about 6K pilots.
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