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01-08-2011, 06:47 PM

#56371

tsquare

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Originally Posted by sailingfun

Here is a prediction. There will be no real battle over relaxing scope in this contract. It wont even become a major issue. The fight will be to try and regain the EMB170/175 flying. If the EFA team can produce the numbers to show we can fly that flying at a reasonable cost compared to DCI it should be a all out war on our part.

Of course we can. It's a vastly more fuel efficient DC9. IF management can get it for 1986 payrates, why wouldn't they... and I'll bet they can.

01-08-2011, 06:48 PM

#56372

acl65pilot

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Originally Posted by newKnow

Acl,

Do these senior captains say they are willing to give away scope to get the money, or are they saying all they want is money? Of course, I don't fly with any senior guys, but I have never heard anyone say they were willing to give up scope for anything. I don't see it on the forums, I don't hear it in the DTW pilot lounge, I don't hear it in the cockpit. Everyone I talk to wants money AND scope. So, from my vantage point, I think Carl's views are the views of the majority. Where are you hearing this "I want to get mine, everyone else be dammed" viewpoint?

I have had guys tell me they will do anything to better their financial position prior to retirement, even if that means selling some more small jets. They are generally the ones that bought something with their note money. (Most not all) Many of them see retirement in less than 10 years and do not want to work after it.

Keep in mind many of the guys I fly with are starting to realize that scope is not a "junior" issue. I talk about the success of the AF JV and what it does and now it is written, and then discuss the AS code share and what it "could" mean, then we talk about SJS. Some state frankly they could care less and realize that no matter what they see the bottom will not reach them, and others realize that pay has been temporary but to date scope has been permanent.

01-08-2011, 06:50 PM

#56373

tsquare

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Originally Posted by satchip

So what's the answer? Inquiring minds want to know!

BTW, commuted home Friday with a bunch of Orange clad people from Alabama. Told them "Roll Tide, hope you guys win for the Glory of the Great State of Alabama!" just like the commercial. Seems Orbitz had the cheapest way to Phoenix as Delta to SAT and USA express to Sky Harbor.

Vol fans headed to Arizona??? How much were you drinking? hehehehehe

01-08-2011, 06:51 PM

#56374

satchip

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With all these cancellations, I have a question. What happens if i can't get back to ATL after a break for the next training event due to wx? Tough noogies?

01-08-2011, 06:59 PM

#56375

Columbia

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01-08-2011, 06:59 PM

#56376

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Quote:

Originally Posted by satchip

With all these cancellations, I have a question. What happens if i can't get back to ATL after a break for the next training event due to wx? Tough noogies?

Maybe they can do that new thing they've been working on. They have this thing that goes directly to your brain and you learn to fly the 737 in 15 seconds? Heard it will save a lot of money.

01-08-2011, 07:02 PM

#56377

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Peyton needs a new coach, dude has the keys to a Ferrari and is trying to tow a boat with it.

01-08-2011, 07:03 PM

#56378

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by alfaromeo

I wonder, is there any ground between faultless and completely incompetent. Could it be possible that ALPA does many things well, most things well, but still, like the rest of any organization filled with fallible humans, could they make some mistakes?

Tsquare's point is the same as many of us. He/we are not saying anyone is perfect or 100% incompetent. Your problem is that you cannot admit to any errors on ALPA's part until many years later when the facts are absolutely undeniable. All the lawyers, negotiations experts and EF&A guys get played like cheap violins by management, and folks like you crow about them being the world's experts in all areas of labor issues. THAT'S your problem. You are far too much of a cheerleader to be considered an accurate source of information to help decide the competence of ALPA national.

Carl

01-08-2011, 07:06 PM

#56379

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by Hawaii50

Seems to me like scope is constantly brought up as a scare tactic by those with their own agendas. All I see here is a few guys fomenting fear over an issue where everyone knows any further errosion is non-negotiable. Take that.....dead horse.

You're the only one I know of to make such a statement. It would be great if you were right, but you are not.

Carl

01-08-2011, 07:10 PM

#56380

johnso29

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

And I got a nice week long trip going East after coming from the West. (Or something like that)

If this thing goes as scheduled I will once again be timed out before pay day.

You have been busy lately. Very busy.