Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-07-2011, 09:55 AM
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It isn't even about Monday morning quarterbacking, although I realize that's how it may come across. But it is about admitting where we screwed up, collectively as an industry, a company and a group because if they (management) won't, and/or if we won't admit that the MBA's and EF&A's were wrong about outsourcing, and they got it as wrong as they did with the 50 seater, what is going to happen with the current "armada" of larger outsourced jets and their up to 118 seat common types?
If we as an association can't recognize where "we went the wrong way" in the past we will just repeat our past mistakes...
This is where my discussions with some reps have left me pretty disillusioned as there seems to be an association level aversion to recognizing less than optimal decisions that have been made in the past.
How on earth will we avoid future mistakes if we can't even recognize past ones?
I'm sure someone made a really compelling argument why adding 500+ RJs was a good idea for Delta pilots. I'm pretty sure its kind of hard to find too many reps now that still use the original arguments for justifying the outsourced lift...
The scope language in Section 1 is telling, just read it.
AF JV scope language ...great
The RJ scope language (relatively speaking) ...soso
Old CO language ...soso
AS code language ...poor
Cheers
George
01-07-2011, 10:00 AM
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ACL;
It was pretty hard to get DALPA to believe, investigate, and agree that one of our regional DCIs had increased the max gross weight of some jets (in violation of our contract).
In regard to this topic and others (they are a holding company not a certificated airline) that I approach the issue of "contract violations". Does DALPA or ALPA REALLY pay attention? Do they REALLY?
It was pretty hard to get DALPA to believe, investigate, and agree that one of our regional DCIs had increased the max gross weight of some jets (in violation of our contract).
In regard to this topic and others (they are a holding company not a certificated airline) that I approach the issue of "contract violations". Does DALPA or ALPA REALLY pay attention? Do they REALLY?
What we all need to understand is that our fellow pilots helped us get that data. Regional pilots
01-07-2011, 10:02 AM
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for me it took going in to my add-ons and deleting a java net console that was out of date. That took care the problem. It updated, but did not delete the old version. Solved the Icrew Max issues tool
01-07-2011, 10:05 AM
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GMAFB!
01-07-2011, 10:08 AM
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01-07-2011, 10:10 AM
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I am going to make this really easy for you. Call each of your reps and ask them what they would do if the company came to them with a 30,40,50,60,70,80,% etc pay raise in exchange for scope relief. If they say they are open to it, talk to them, if they tell you, you do not understand, make sure you have pilots in there that do. It cannot get simpler than that. That is part of the election process.
I will also repeat once again, I do not see one rep going for this. If there are a few, it will not be the majority no matter what pay carrot is waved. Maybe the company will try, and maybe the union will have the reps vote it down, but I just do not see this coming to a pilot vote. If by some chance it does, and we vote "yes" for it, we get what is coming to us. At best I see 30% voting for anything that give up scope, and I really do not even see it being that high. The only issue we have is senior pilots can sell our farm because once they retire they have no attachment to it. Other than that, it will hurt way to much to everyone's career.
01-07-2011, 10:12 AM
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Where is the AE bid???
01-07-2011, 10:19 AM
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SPOT ON!^^^^
DPA would be quickly swept into the dust bin of history if this and a few other basic changes were made.
1. True Bottom to top representation.
2. Complete transparency. FPL every month. Quarterly publishing of budget and accounts receivable and payable. (to include trips and incidentals at The Diplomate)
3. Effective communications commitee and tools. Not tools on the communications committee.
Those are my top three in addition to scope stance. Feel free to add.
DPA would be quickly swept into the dust bin of history if this and a few other basic changes were made.
1. True Bottom to top representation.
2. Complete transparency. FPL every month. Quarterly publishing of budget and accounts receivable and payable. (to include trips and incidentals at The Diplomate)
3. Effective communications commitee and tools. Not tools on the communications committee.
Those are my top three in addition to scope stance. Feel free to add.
Yes, it would and when that memo or other medium comes out I sure it will. The fact is that at least 70% of us think scope is important even if we do not understand it. Of that 70% 50% probably understand it enough to know the true ramifications of it.
01-07-2011, 10:20 AM
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Spot on. This is why current effort will probably not succeed.
They went about it the wrong way.
You need some heavy hitters to draw the crowd in if you aren't working a crisis.
Nu
01-07-2011, 10:39 AM
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