Imapilot2

Isn't this about how many DC 9's NWA use to have? How many we got now? 30 something.

We don't need to be Defensive on scope in this next contract. We need to be offensive. The line of scrimmage needs to be us with the ball trying to reduce the number of 76 seaters over time.....instead of being defensive and trying to hold them back from taking more of mainline flying. I know AC is on board with this and others I hope.

boog123

so basically you are stuck at ALV plus 15 for time, unless you GS or pick up from a buddy. Thanks

944Turbo

Are they going to be reallocating assets to keep all the bases level in regards to staffing? Are they going to bring 88's or 737s to MSP to help alleviate any ripples?

acl65pilot

I know I would like to see us get a commitment from the company to not renew, extend, write, or modify any DCI ASA's in this round of talks. The jets should be here, but the company is going to price that very high due to commitments to these third party contractors. It is why a logical phase out makes the most sense.

acl65pilot

What I heard was yes, on some level, they would be adding seats to the ER in SEA and MSP. Not sure about the rest, these guys are getting peppered with questions so I only could ask so much. The fact is that all of this is best guess until the AE comes out and most of this stuff is two AE's away. Lots of time for marketing to change their needs and block hr requirements to make all of these "planned" changes disappear, or become modified.

TenYearsGone

Somebody brought up Republic and the C series jet in the past posts.

In my opinion, I think Republic is the biggest threat to the Delta pilot. They already operate Airbus and now they are going to be the launch customer for the C series, with mx rights to "work" on all C series jets. Their CEO is shrewd and more than likely in cahoots with ours.

I hope our union is really taking scope seriously because it will bite us in the back again if we dont stop outsourcing. Giving up scope for more money is like making a deal with the devil.

FWIW, I have talked to Republic pilots and they are not in favor of outsourcing, but they have no choice since the unions accept it and endorse it.


TYG

acl65pilot

My take on Republic is that BB their CEO wants to join an Alliance and sees his future as clouded if they do not. I have frequented MKE and their ops up there are suffering.

Republic is a threat, and the guys I have talked to a giddy at the prospects of bigger jets at the mainlines expense. The MEH and F9 guys not so much but the original Republic pilots seem to think this is akin to winning the lottery.

Pineapple Guy

In 20 years, DAL has virtually never taken "base levels regarding staffing" into account. Airplanes are moved to fit marketing's desires. Pilots are moved to where the aircraft are. We had many bases that ended up with almost 100% of the trips starting and ending with a deadhead, because that particular aircraft no longer served that particular city. Once Flight ops determines that's not likely to change, the base (or that particular category) gets closed. I've seen SEA, IAH, DFW, BOS, PDX, MSY, ORD, and MIA (and I might be forgetting some) closed in my tenure at DAL. In addition to that, there have been categories open/close all the time; none of this took into account the pilot's basing desires or staffing. Bases grow, bases shrink -- that's the nature of the business; for better or worse.

Don't mean to be negative; just relaying what I've seen.

LeineLodge

You are dead on with this post.

The part I highlighted is why guys are getting so riled up about TO's first letter. I'm willing to give him some time to see which direction he goes in w/ respect to SCOPE, and the rest of the letter was well done in my opinion. I do think it was a large step up from Moak's lack of communication. I look forward to much more of this.

The problem I have (not necessarily talking about the letter here) is that DALPA as a group cannot seem to make part of our mission statement "All Delta Flying will be done by Delta Pilots" despite numerous resolutions from the LEC's and lots of shrieking by the junior and senior alike (Thanks Carl!)

What is so wrong with us taking a stand on SCOPE like the UCal pilots have? What is wrong with us protecting OUR flying and trying to get back what was OURS? I don't see the political conundrum here why the leadership won't come out and state what we are all thinking - at least not at the DALPA level. I completely get why National has the conflict of interest.

Sailing, Alfa, Slow any thoughts??? To be clear I'm not talking about polling for contract goodies. I'm talking about a defined mission statement or core principle that we declare to the company, Republic, Bombardier, et al that SCOPE will not budge. I realize that to get it back, we are playing the 'What are you willing to give up?' game, but I think most guys just want to hear our leadership say that yes SCOPE is paramount like the UCal guys have.

LeineLodge

944Turbo I love the avatar! Did you move out that way or are you just a Leine fan?