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01-05-2011, 08:36 AM
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Reserve question:
If you are on reserve for 9 days straight they have to give you a 24 hour rest period somewhere within 7 days (overnight or other). Lets say they assign you rest from 10pm to 10pm on the 5th - 6th day.
Are you required to acknowledge anything while on rest? Specifically short call at 6am the day after rest? I know they have to give 10 ours for conversion to short call so think 8am would be the earliest if acknowledged at 10pm the night before.
Also, since you're not on an X day you wouldn't be required to check your schedule after 3pm the day before (in this case while on rest).
Is this right? Thanks.
If you are on reserve for 9 days straight they have to give you a 24 hour rest period somewhere within 7 days (overnight or other). Lets say they assign you rest from 10pm to 10pm on the 5th - 6th day.
Are you required to acknowledge anything while on rest? Specifically short call at 6am the day after rest? I know they have to give 10 ours for conversion to short call so think 8am would be the earliest if acknowledged at 10pm the night before.
Also, since you're not on an X day you wouldn't be required to check your schedule after 3pm the day before (in this case while on rest).
Is this right? Thanks.
Several different contract sections control this and the schedulers don't do a very good job of abiding by it because it is confusing. If you are on "rest" and they call you with any assignment, best to wait until near the end of "rest" or after to call and ask what they are doing. Think of "rest" as your last X day and adjust the times according to when your rest ends. If they start talking about "add-on rest", call the ALPA office and ask for someone in scheduling.
This is my understanding of this issue and I am not a contract guru.
01-05-2011, 08:37 AM
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01-05-2011, 08:42 AM
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In all fairness, I commented on the Mod threads on a reported post. I have asked the mods to reaffirm how we moderate reposted articles of political nature. Like I have said, we have previously allowed them until the bashing started. We will see of the consensus has changed.
I can attest to having a WSJ news article (non-opinion piece) removed from this board that was free of commentary. Just saying.
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01-05-2011, 08:50 AM
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01-05-2011, 08:53 AM
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01-05-2011, 08:54 AM
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Since we all seem to have problems discussing industry pertinent issues without leaning left or right I've deleted anything that brushes the political nature. Articles, posts, quotes, etc are deleted.
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01-05-2011, 08:55 AM
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When they get done with their debate, all, none or some of these posts will be removed. (Mine included) Have to admit that I was just trying to make a point prior to my morning coffee. Scheduling called and I had not gone back to sleep.
01-05-2011, 08:57 AM
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As it is Johnso's call he can do what he just did.
01-05-2011, 09:16 AM
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Here's another failure of outsourcing.
A vendor has a plane that's going to fly a leg for Mainline Airways, get to the outstation, and then fly a few legs as Vendor Independent Airlines.
The first leg gets not only fuel to get to the destination, but 45 minutes worth of taxi fuel when it's known to be a 10 minute taxi at the moment, plus fuel for an alternate when it's not needed, plus 30 minutes of holding fuel, plus 20 minutes of contingency fuel.
It lands as Mainline Express at the outstation with a few thousand pounds above what it needs. Now it's that much closer to being at release fuel for its flight as Vendor Independent Airlines, where it's competing with the parent company that just bought half of the fuel that's in the tank.
A vendor has a plane that's going to fly a leg for Mainline Airways, get to the outstation, and then fly a few legs as Vendor Independent Airlines.
The first leg gets not only fuel to get to the destination, but 45 minutes worth of taxi fuel when it's known to be a 10 minute taxi at the moment, plus fuel for an alternate when it's not needed, plus 30 minutes of holding fuel, plus 20 minutes of contingency fuel.
It lands as Mainline Express at the outstation with a few thousand pounds above what it needs. Now it's that much closer to being at release fuel for its flight as Vendor Independent Airlines, where it's competing with the parent company that just bought half of the fuel that's in the tank.
I hate outsourcing as much as the next guy (and twice as much as the guy next to him) but wouldn't the aircraft also have the FAR fuel minimums in it when it shows up as a DAL connection flight? Theoretically. unless it was operated under other than part 121, you would think it would all average out in the long run - of course I could be missing something here - only halfway through my first cup of coffee.
I guess if they were stingy on contingency fuel there might be a difference over the long run.Scoop
01-05-2011, 09:28 AM
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Contrails,
I hate outsourcing as much as the next guy (and twice as much as the guy next to him) but wouldn't the aircraft also have the FAR fuel minimums in it when it shows up as a DAL connection flight? Theoretically. unless it was operated under other than part 121, you would think it would all average out in the long run - of course I could be missing something here - only halfway through my first cup of coffee. I guess if they were stingy on contingency fuel there might be a difference over the long run.
Scoop
I hate outsourcing as much as the next guy (and twice as much as the guy next to him) but wouldn't the aircraft also have the FAR fuel minimums in it when it shows up as a DAL connection flight? Theoretically. unless it was operated under other than part 121, you would think it would all average out in the long run - of course I could be missing something here - only halfway through my first cup of coffee.
I guess if they were stingy on contingency fuel there might be a difference over the long run.Scoop
Think about the discretion involved though, as to how much fuel is going to be loaded at departure considering the destination and overall situation.
You could have a day that's 30SM and CLR but a vendor is adding an alternate, holding fuel, lots of taxi fuel, and contingency fuel only to take all of that gas which it knew wouldn't be needed, and burn it on their own flight the next leg.
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