Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-07-2010, 09:02 AM
Da Hudge
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They say color coding has returned to the bottom of the iCrew screen, but I've not seen it. On the 737, I've seen two days in three years where reserve coverage has been above min. I've NEVER seen a 1.5 multiplier.
Cheaper to staff with white slips & a handful of green slips than hire pilots. I have this vision in Crew Scheduling there is a sign over the entrance.
I also think they hold back the short call notfications then hold a betting pool on who can "do the best you can" to a departure 45 minutes after the call. "put $5 on FO Smith, he did 47 minutes to an international call after being on duty for 18 hours last week... ah nuts, FO Jones just did it in 38 and Smith just called in stuck on the connector. OK I'm doubling down on Jones ... put crew accommodations on hold... RATS! Jones is sick! Call Bob, he lets his kids answer the phone, GOT 'EM! ... no take the domestic guys that are timed out and put them on domestic, take the international guys and use them for domestic ... coverage baby, like I covered that $5 on Smith ... split the NYC rotation, put deadheads on both ends..."
Cheaper to staff with white slips & a handful of green slips than hire pilots. I have this vision in Crew Scheduling there is a sign over the entrance.
"THROUGH THESE DOORS WALK THE WORLD'S PREMIER EXPERTS AT UTILIZING RESERVES 69.9998 HOURS A MONTH,
with 400 hours time away from base!"
with 400 hours time away from base!"
I also think they hold back the short call notfications then hold a betting pool on who can "do the best you can" to a departure 45 minutes after the call. "put $5 on FO Smith, he did 47 minutes to an international call after being on duty for 18 hours last week... ah nuts, FO Jones just did it in 38 and Smith just called in stuck on the connector. OK I'm doubling down on Jones ... put crew accommodations on hold... RATS! Jones is sick! Call Bob, he lets his kids answer the phone, GOT 'EM! ... no take the domestic guys that are timed out and put them on domestic, take the international guys and use them for domestic ... coverage baby, like I covered that $5 on Smith ... split the NYC rotation, put deadheads on both ends..."
They must haaate me.
"what time can you launch"
"well it will take me 2 hours to sign in."
"So 2 hours from now?"
"no, thats sign in. The earliest I can promise to launch is 1 hour after that."
(sound of head exploding)
12-07-2010, 09:22 AM
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The short call estimates they are putting out are not worth the 13 seconds it takes to produce their WAG. SCs come out late for no reason, and I just asked for a later SC on the day prior, and didn't get it for apparently no reason. ACL, why are you defending this?
I'm done doing favors to scheduling, until I see at least one flow back my direction.
12-07-2010, 10:20 AM
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This may have already been discussed, but it sounds like the MEM and MSP DC9 bases are going to close either the next AE or the one in Mayish timeframe.
12-07-2010, 10:41 AM
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12-07-2010, 10:50 AM
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12-07-2010, 11:10 AM
veut gagner ŕ la loterie
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They say color coding has returned to the bottom of the iCrew screen, but I've not seen it. On the 737, I've seen two days in three years where reserve coverage has been above min. I've NEVER seen a 1.5 multiplier.
Cheaper to staff with white slips & a handful of green slips than hire pilots. I have this vision in Crew Scheduling there is a sign over the entrance.
"THROUGH THESE DOORS WALK THE WORLD'S PREMIER EXPERTS AT UTILIZING RESERVES 69.9998 HOURS A MONTH,
with 400 hours time away from base!"
I also think they hold back the short call notfications then hold a betting pool on who can "do the best you can" to a departure 45 minutes after the call. "put $5 on FO Smith, he did 47 minutes to an international call after being on duty for 18 hours last week... ah nuts, FO Jones just did it in 38 and Smith just called in stuck on the connector. OK I'm doubling down on Jones ... put crew accommodations on hold... RATS! Jones is sick! Call Bob, he lets his kids answer the phone, GOT 'EM! ... no take the domestic guys that are timed out and put them on domestic, take the international guys and use them for domestic ... coverage baby, like I covered that $5 on Smith ... split the NYC rotation, put deadheads on both ends..."
Cheaper to staff with white slips & a handful of green slips than hire pilots. I have this vision in Crew Scheduling there is a sign over the entrance.
"THROUGH THESE DOORS WALK THE WORLD'S PREMIER EXPERTS AT UTILIZING RESERVES 69.9998 HOURS A MONTH,
with 400 hours time away from base!"
I also think they hold back the short call notfications then hold a betting pool on who can "do the best you can" to a departure 45 minutes after the call. "put $5 on FO Smith, he did 47 minutes to an international call after being on duty for 18 hours last week... ah nuts, FO Jones just did it in 38 and Smith just called in stuck on the connector. OK I'm doubling down on Jones ... put crew accommodations on hold... RATS! Jones is sick! Call Bob, he lets his kids answer the phone, GOT 'EM! ... no take the domestic guys that are timed out and put them on domestic, take the international guys and use them for domestic ... coverage baby, like I covered that $5 on Smith ... split the NYC rotation, put deadheads on both ends..."
Pays to live far sometimes.
However it sucks too. GS's sometimes bypass me for the folks at base housing because it'd take me too long to get there. Heck, my 1 hour drive last Friday was nearly 3 last week with NO TRAFFIC. ATL blows. If it wasn't near Alabama or near Tennessee I wouldn't like it none. ---
DID SOMEONE MENTION RUO? I think so.
Let's review. Oh look, a PM for me. Hmmm, I'll avoid, probably just another violation. Anyways, RUO, go to deltapilots.org and then to the library, contract awareness bulletins and look up CA 09-12. Download it. It's 10MB and 1000 pages. Do a search for RUO and every publication the union has made including the contract will show up. Or in the CA 09-12 go to Resource Documents > Scheduling > Reserves Reference Documents and there you'll find the reference documents on the reserves required formula and RUO.
Great stuff. You can download it to your iphone but I really wish I had a good app that allowed me to word search a pdf. Still looking for that.
12-07-2010, 11:15 AM
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Delta has just issued the following statement to news media about International Association of Machinists representation being rejected by above wing Airport Customer Service, Reservation Sales and customer-facing Delta Cargo employees. Please continue to monitor DNN for updates.
“These results are stunning – 70 percent of voters rejected the IAM. It is clear employees do not want to be represented. There is no better testament to how well the direct relationship works at Delta than the fact that the results of these post-merger elections – even with the voting rules changed in the middle of the process – have been the same. The will of the majority has spoken loud and clear: Delta employees want to preserve the special Delta relationship. It’s time for everyone to respect our people’s decision. They are more than ready to move forward.”
“These results are stunning – 70 percent of voters rejected the IAM. It is clear employees do not want to be represented. There is no better testament to how well the direct relationship works at Delta than the fact that the results of these post-merger elections – even with the voting rules changed in the middle of the process – have been the same. The will of the majority has spoken loud and clear: Delta employees want to preserve the special Delta relationship. It’s time for everyone to respect our people’s decision. They are more than ready to move forward.”
12-07-2010, 11:16 AM
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Question for the PBS gurus,
When the PCS multiplier is in place for a category, to move off days as a reserve pilots, does the 1.5 multipliers essentially mean that the amounts of reserves needed to drop a day needs to 1.5 times what is listed on ICREW.
Essentially, if the amount of reserves required is 10 for a specific day to move that day as a reserve pilot the the availability would need to be 15 as opposed to just more than the minimum required of 10?
Not sure if my logic is sound here.
When the PCS multiplier is in place for a category, to move off days as a reserve pilots, does the 1.5 multipliers essentially mean that the amounts of reserves needed to drop a day needs to 1.5 times what is listed on ICREW.
Essentially, if the amount of reserves required is 10 for a specific day to move that day as a reserve pilot the the availability would need to be 15 as opposed to just more than the minimum required of 10?
Not sure if my logic is sound here.
Take Reserves available and subtract reserves required to come up with a number. That number will most likely be negative during months with a 1.5 multiplier, but it can be positive. Multiply that number by the PCS multiplier. Round that number down to the next lowest whole number. Do that for both the day you want to drop and the day you want to add. If the day you want to drop will be equal or better AFTER the move then the days will be moved.
EX. Move an X day from the 6th to the 26th.
6th has 5 required 3 available and the 26th has 8 required with 6 available. 5-3 = -2. -2*1.5 = -3. 6-8 = -2. -2*1.5 = -3. Both days are -3 before the swap but after the swap the 26th would not be equal to the 6th so the trade won't go through. In order for the trade to go through the 6th would have to get worse or the 26th would need to get better, but they don't have to be 1.5 times the number required to be approved nor do the days have to be above the minimum required.
So, you can move days even if they are below the mins and the days are subject to the 1.5 multiplier the trade just has to make the company no worse off or better AFTER the trade is approved. My complaint about this is that the contract says NOTHING about the days being equal AFTER the trade it just says if they are equal the trade will be granted. I think a grievance would win if a trade is denied due to the days not being equal AFTER but they are equal BEFORE it you follow my logic.
12-07-2010, 11:23 AM
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12-07-2010, 11:26 AM
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No it doesn't mean that. It is a multiplier used in a formula to come up with a number that will determine if the swap will be approved.
Take Reserves available and subtract reserves required to come up with a number. That number will most likely be negative during months with a 1.5 multiplier, but it can be positive. Multiply that number by the PCS multiplier. Round that number down to the next lowest whole number. Do that for both the day you want to drop and the day you want to add. If the day you want to drop will be equal or better AFTER the move then the days will be moved.
EX. Move an X day from the 6th to the 26th.
6th has 5 required 3 available and the 26th has 8 required with 6 available. 5-3 = -2. -2*1.5 = -3. 6-8 = -2. -2*1.5 = -3. Both days are -3 before the swap but after the swap the 26th would not be equal to the 6th so the trade won't go through. In order for the trade to go through the 6th would have to get worse or the 26th would need to get better, but they don't have to be 1.5 times the number required to be approved nor do the days have to be above the minimum required.
So, you can move days even if they are below the mins and the days are subject to the 1.5 multiplier the trade just has to make the company no worse off or better AFTER the trade is approved. My complaint about this is that the contract says NOTHING about the days being equal AFTER the trade it just says if they are equal the trade will be granted. I think a grievance would win if a trade is denied due to the days not being equal AFTER but they are equal BEFORE it you follow my logic.
Take Reserves available and subtract reserves required to come up with a number. That number will most likely be negative during months with a 1.5 multiplier, but it can be positive. Multiply that number by the PCS multiplier. Round that number down to the next lowest whole number. Do that for both the day you want to drop and the day you want to add. If the day you want to drop will be equal or better AFTER the move then the days will be moved.
EX. Move an X day from the 6th to the 26th.
6th has 5 required 3 available and the 26th has 8 required with 6 available. 5-3 = -2. -2*1.5 = -3. 6-8 = -2. -2*1.5 = -3. Both days are -3 before the swap but after the swap the 26th would not be equal to the 6th so the trade won't go through. In order for the trade to go through the 6th would have to get worse or the 26th would need to get better, but they don't have to be 1.5 times the number required to be approved nor do the days have to be above the minimum required.
So, you can move days even if they are below the mins and the days are subject to the 1.5 multiplier the trade just has to make the company no worse off or better AFTER the trade is approved. My complaint about this is that the contract says NOTHING about the days being equal AFTER the trade it just says if they are equal the trade will be granted. I think a grievance would win if a trade is denied due to the days not being equal AFTER but they are equal BEFORE it you follow my logic.
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