acl65pilot

That is how I understand it. Report and get released as well. Lots of time they will forget or not notify. LCA's get sick, and by not notifying you, you do your trip as well.

Jack Bauer

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Ferd149

ACL, you're really confusing me here.

You're pulled from trip 24 hours prior and not assigned to anything 12 hours prior. Why would you go in? If the LCA gets sick 8 hours prior, wouldn't they have to find a new Capt AND call a reserve FO?

Ferd

johnso29

Ferd,

I think he is presenting a hypothetical situation in which one was never notified of a schedule change, or never notified that their trip is being used for IOE.

acl65pilot

Ferd;
I am going off the assumption that if pulled from ones line and there was no notification, by default, even though it is not on the pilots line, there is no notification stating that he has been notified, or the trip is truly pulled.

Having a trip removed from your LOT is fine, but it does not constitute notification. Heads up, yes, but unless you are called, you are still obligated. If the LCA sicks out and you have not called within 12 hrs of report (no obligation) and do show up and subsequently the LCA has sicked out, you have no showed a trip. There is no notification except from Scheduling to state the trip is not yours.

It is a big ole circle Ferd, but until you talk to scheduling the trip is yours. So if I have not been notified, I just show up. I have had it happen twice where the trip was removed, but I was not notified. I showed up and the LCA no showed the last minute. I went, even though it was not on my line.

Best advice is to set an alarm for 12 hrs prior to report, and call them at 11+58 asking about it. I live locally so it is of no consequence to me. I let them call me. Calling over there always leads to an unknown!

acl65pilot

Didn't hit anything but a heck of a lot of chop!

iceman49

So, its allowed by the contract and the PBS software builds the line that way. Correct?

Ferd149

ACL,

Ok, I get it now. I guess see where one could drop through the crack.

When it happened to me, I noticed the guy I was flying with was an LCA when I looked to see who I was flying with. So, I started researching all of this (since it was different than NWA's) Sure enough, the trip "dropped off" my line about a week prior. But, everything else was clockwork. Got the call that I was removed for OE and thus time available at almost exactly 24 hours prior. I commuted up to MSP and just sat in the lounge until 12 hours prior. I checked the computer and saw no trip and that I had dropped off the available list and went home about an hour later.

Easy Shemeezy............

Yes, a pain to go up and sit around. Yes, a pain that they "couldn't release me" early, ie not commute in (scheduler said she would have if I'd been a reserve, but I wasn't).

But............much nicer than the NWA way. See, I can say something nice

Ferd

PS Did you see the black KAL monument on the mountain, it's just left of the UNZ VOR. So sad

RockyBoy

I guess the company can build lines that don't meet the off day grouping requirements. PBS will give you 9 days in a row....you can only put 6 in a row yourself. PBS will give you less than three reserve days in a block.....you cannot create a block that is less than three. PBS will give you one day off between blocks....you can't create less than two days off between blocks. PBS will give you more than 5 off day blocks....you cannot move days to create more than 5 off day blocks.

I've noticed the last few months that when PBS builds schedules there are very few ways to move days due to the requirements that THEY violate to build your line. Even with reserves above the minimum you still can't move stuff because of all the off day grouping requirements. It's getting ridiculous. If WE can't do it, then they shouldn't be able to do it either.

Doug Masters

Question for the PBS gurus: I want to bid reserve to hold weekends off but only if I can get every Sat Sun Mon off. Do I preference those days off and then do "all or nothing" followed by my default bid?

Thanks