Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
11-15-2010, 01:22 PM
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I would imagine it will become noticible pretty soon if they keep this up...especially considering the number of these things they plan on installing by the end of next year. The money spent would buy a whole lot of bomb-sniffing pound puppies. 
If the TSA doesn't run off all our pax, Clark Howard will. I'm listening to him now singing his praises of AirTran/SWA, and what a great idea it is to drive to BHM from ATL to get into their network. He's absolutely giddy over these great deals!
I've never heard him bash another company the way he does to Delta.
If the TSA doesn't run off all our pax, Clark Howard will. I'm listening to him now singing his praises of AirTran/SWA, and what a great idea it is to drive to BHM from ATL to get into their network. He's absolutely giddy over these great deals!
I've never heard him bash another company the way he does to Delta.
11-15-2010, 01:26 PM
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TSA Caves On Molesting Pilots
Feds beginning to back down in face of national outrage, but no word on ordinary travelers being subjected to airport oppression
Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones
Prison Planet.com
Monday, November 15, 2010
UPDATE: Big Sis Caught Lying To American People
TSA Administrator John Pistole told CNN’s John Roberts this morning that the feds were looking at changing pat down procedures for pilots, a first indication that the government is beginning to back down in the face of a nationwide backlash against naked body scanners and intrusive airport groping measures.
Speaking about how he and DHS chief Janet Napolitano met with pilots representatives last week, Pistole said, “Well obviously they’re a trusted group in so many different ways and so it makes sense to do some type of different type of screening which we will explore and I think have a way forward here in the near future.”
Adding that he didn’t want to speak prematurely, Pistole said “There are options that we are looking at that will make sense.”
Host Roberts made the point that screening pilots for weapons was pointless when pilots have the biggest weapon they could possibly have – the plane itself – in their hands.
However, Pistole did nothing to address similar measures being directed against the traveling public which amount to little less than sexual molestation, and had no answer to why airport officials are threatening people who refused to be groped with $10,000 dollar fines, as in the case of a man who had a run in with TSA goons at San Diego International Airport this past weekend.
Despite the TSA’s blanket refusal to amend measures that are stoking outrage across the country and leading many to decide against flying until changes are made, this first step in the feds being forced to back down on one level is obviously a sign of progress.
It has been established that the implementation of the aggressive groping techniques had nothing to do with security and was solely designed to force people into the body scanner, which as Columbia University and other scientists have proven increases the risk of cancer.
In addition, the body scanners would not even have stopped underwear bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab from boarding Flight 253 on Christmas Day.
The feds have finally accepted the fact that common sense needs to be applied to screening pilots, and that same “intelligence-driven” process, as Pistole labels it, now needs to be applied to ordinary travelers.
It is not “intelligence-driven” to subject toddlers to sexual molestation in the name of stopping terror. A “risk-based” approached should not include targeting the very people who represent the least risk – women, children, the elderly and the disabled – who are precisely the groups that have been on the receiving end of the most humiliating degradation at the hands of TSA thugs.
Feds beginning to back down in face of national outrage, but no word on ordinary travelers being subjected to airport oppression
Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones
Prison Planet.com
Monday, November 15, 2010
UPDATE: Big Sis Caught Lying To American People
TSA Administrator John Pistole told CNN’s John Roberts this morning that the feds were looking at changing pat down procedures for pilots, a first indication that the government is beginning to back down in the face of a nationwide backlash against naked body scanners and intrusive airport groping measures.
Speaking about how he and DHS chief Janet Napolitano met with pilots representatives last week, Pistole said, “Well obviously they’re a trusted group in so many different ways and so it makes sense to do some type of different type of screening which we will explore and I think have a way forward here in the near future.”
Adding that he didn’t want to speak prematurely, Pistole said “There are options that we are looking at that will make sense.”
Host Roberts made the point that screening pilots for weapons was pointless when pilots have the biggest weapon they could possibly have – the plane itself – in their hands.
However, Pistole did nothing to address similar measures being directed against the traveling public which amount to little less than sexual molestation, and had no answer to why airport officials are threatening people who refused to be groped with $10,000 dollar fines, as in the case of a man who had a run in with TSA goons at San Diego International Airport this past weekend.
Despite the TSA’s blanket refusal to amend measures that are stoking outrage across the country and leading many to decide against flying until changes are made, this first step in the feds being forced to back down on one level is obviously a sign of progress.
It has been established that the implementation of the aggressive groping techniques had nothing to do with security and was solely designed to force people into the body scanner, which as Columbia University and other scientists have proven increases the risk of cancer.
In addition, the body scanners would not even have stopped underwear bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab from boarding Flight 253 on Christmas Day.
The feds have finally accepted the fact that common sense needs to be applied to screening pilots, and that same “intelligence-driven” process, as Pistole labels it, now needs to be applied to ordinary travelers.
It is not “intelligence-driven” to subject toddlers to sexual molestation in the name of stopping terror. A “risk-based” approached should not include targeting the very people who represent the least risk – women, children, the elderly and the disabled – who are precisely the groups that have been on the receiving end of the most humiliating degradation at the hands of TSA thugs.
11-15-2010, 01:29 PM
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PM me if that doesn't set you on the right track if my post above doesn't put you on the right track.
11-15-2010, 01:35 PM
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11-15-2010, 01:41 PM
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Yay for ALPA on the pending progress of (an as of now effectively unimplimented) crewpass. Big fan of crewpass, and if it ever happens then ALPA deserves a lot of credit. But scope trumps crewpass. What good is crewpass if half your flights, block hours and pilot jobs are done by other pilots off your list? If more scope relief is allowed and mainlines shrink again, who cares if you can bypass the hastles of security for the masses if you don't have a job in the first place.
Scope is the Alpha and the Omega of anything and everything in this profession. Who cares if you have leading aeromedical or legal assistance if you're not employed to use it? What good are pay tables if your rate is zero because your job is outsourced? What good are retirement improvements if you spend less time on property or at lower paying categories because of rampant outsourcing?
Scope trumps all because its not only greater than any other issue, it is the foundation of every single issue.
And yet ALPA thinks the best strategy is to pretend it doesn't exist, ask for complete trust in the wake of the recent several decades of abysmal failures regarding the issue and focus on the tertiary.
Scope is the Alpha and the Omega of anything and everything in this profession. Who cares if you have leading aeromedical or legal assistance if you're not employed to use it? What good are pay tables if your rate is zero because your job is outsourced? What good are retirement improvements if you spend less time on property or at lower paying categories because of rampant outsourcing?
Scope trumps all because its not only greater than any other issue, it is the foundation of every single issue.
And yet ALPA thinks the best strategy is to pretend it doesn't exist, ask for complete trust in the wake of the recent several decades of abysmal failures regarding the issue and focus on the tertiary.
Carl
11-15-2010, 01:50 PM
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TSA Caves On Molesting Pilots
Feds beginning to back down in face of national outrage, but no word on ordinary travelers being subjected to airport oppression
Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones
Prison Planet.com
Monday, November 15, 2010
UPDATE: Big Sis Caught Lying To American People
TSA Administrator John Pistole told CNN’s John Roberts this morning that the feds were looking at changing pat down procedures for pilots, a first indication that the government is beginning to back down in the face of a nationwide backlash against naked body scanners and intrusive airport groping measures.
Speaking about how he and DHS chief Janet Napolitano met with pilots representatives last week, Pistole said, “Well obviously they’re a trusted group in so many different ways and so it makes sense to do some type of different type of screening which we will explore and I think have a way forward here in the near future.”
Adding that he didn’t want to speak prematurely, Pistole said “There are options that we are looking at that will make sense.”
Host Roberts made the point that screening pilots for weapons was pointless when pilots have the biggest weapon they could possibly have – the plane itself – in their hands.
However, Pistole did nothing to address similar measures being directed against the traveling public which amount to little less than sexual molestation, and had no answer to why airport officials are threatening people who refused to be groped with $10,000 dollar fines, as in the case of a man who had a run in with TSA goons at San Diego International Airport this past weekend.
Despite the TSA’s blanket refusal to amend measures that are stoking outrage across the country and leading many to decide against flying until changes are made, this first step in the feds being forced to back down on one level is obviously a sign of progress.
It has been established that the implementation of the aggressive groping techniques had nothing to do with security and was solely designed to force people into the body scanner, which as Columbia University and other scientists have proven increases the risk of cancer.
In addition, the body scanners would not even have stopped underwear bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab from boarding Flight 253 on Christmas Day.
The feds have finally accepted the fact that common sense needs to be applied to screening pilots, and that same “intelligence-driven” process, as Pistole labels it, now needs to be applied to ordinary travelers.
It is not “intelligence-driven” to subject toddlers to sexual molestation in the name of stopping terror. A “risk-based” approached should not include targeting the very people who represent the least risk – women, children, the elderly and the disabled – who are precisely the groups that have been on the receiving end of the most humiliating degradation at the hands of TSA thugs.
Feds beginning to back down in face of national outrage, but no word on ordinary travelers being subjected to airport oppression
Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones
Prison Planet.com
Monday, November 15, 2010
UPDATE: Big Sis Caught Lying To American People
TSA Administrator John Pistole told CNN’s John Roberts this morning that the feds were looking at changing pat down procedures for pilots, a first indication that the government is beginning to back down in the face of a nationwide backlash against naked body scanners and intrusive airport groping measures.
Speaking about how he and DHS chief Janet Napolitano met with pilots representatives last week, Pistole said, “Well obviously they’re a trusted group in so many different ways and so it makes sense to do some type of different type of screening which we will explore and I think have a way forward here in the near future.”
Adding that he didn’t want to speak prematurely, Pistole said “There are options that we are looking at that will make sense.”
Host Roberts made the point that screening pilots for weapons was pointless when pilots have the biggest weapon they could possibly have – the plane itself – in their hands.
However, Pistole did nothing to address similar measures being directed against the traveling public which amount to little less than sexual molestation, and had no answer to why airport officials are threatening people who refused to be groped with $10,000 dollar fines, as in the case of a man who had a run in with TSA goons at San Diego International Airport this past weekend.
Despite the TSA’s blanket refusal to amend measures that are stoking outrage across the country and leading many to decide against flying until changes are made, this first step in the feds being forced to back down on one level is obviously a sign of progress.
It has been established that the implementation of the aggressive groping techniques had nothing to do with security and was solely designed to force people into the body scanner, which as Columbia University and other scientists have proven increases the risk of cancer.
In addition, the body scanners would not even have stopped underwear bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab from boarding Flight 253 on Christmas Day.
The feds have finally accepted the fact that common sense needs to be applied to screening pilots, and that same “intelligence-driven” process, as Pistole labels it, now needs to be applied to ordinary travelers.
It is not “intelligence-driven” to subject toddlers to sexual molestation in the name of stopping terror. A “risk-based” approached should not include targeting the very people who represent the least risk – women, children, the elderly and the disabled – who are precisely the groups that have been on the receiving end of the most humiliating degradation at the hands of TSA thugs.
i hope this sticks!!
11-15-2010, 01:51 PM
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11-15-2010, 01:57 PM
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Make sure you download the checklist and print it and post it prominently in your house with the "30 Days to reset your 300 hour sick clock" highlighted.
Several DAL-N guys were never told about the checklist or the 30 days and are now stuck at 300 hours sick used over the last 36 months.
No help from the CP. No help from ALPA. Just another thing we were supposed to absorb via bulletin I guess.
Edit: I have been told DPMA checklist is not a DAL Document. I'm sure there is an obscure reference to the 30 day rule somewhere in a DAL document. Bears me where it is located.
Several DAL-N guys were never told about the checklist or the 30 days and are now stuck at 300 hours sick used over the last 36 months.
No help from the CP. No help from ALPA. Just another thing we were supposed to absorb via bulletin I guess.
Edit: I have been told DPMA checklist is not a DAL Document. I'm sure there is an obscure reference to the 30 day rule somewhere in a DAL document. Bears me where it is located.
11-15-2010, 01:58 PM
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11-15-2010, 01:59 PM
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