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11-11-2010, 06:58 PM
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ALC, Sailingfun, finis72 and others,
Just a quick review, It's been a little over 9 years since 9/11 and we still can't go to work without having to deal with this TSA BS. Come on 9 years!, I can go to my local gym and use my thumb print to get in. The technology is available to verify who we are. They (TSA, DHS & FAA) know who we are, we all have had 10 year back ground checks and many have held security clearances in our prior jobs. This is all security theater and I believe most pilots are upset because we know bull **** when we see it. ALPA, has been working on this in the background, but don't you think 9 years is a little excessive.
I for one will opt out for the package check every time.
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Just a quick review, It's been a little over 9 years since 9/11 and we still can't go to work without having to deal with this TSA BS. Come on 9 years!, I can go to my local gym and use my thumb print to get in. The technology is available to verify who we are. They (TSA, DHS & FAA) know who we are, we all have had 10 year back ground checks and many have held security clearances in our prior jobs. This is all security theater and I believe most pilots are upset because we know bull **** when we see it. ALPA, has been working on this in the background, but don't you think 9 years is a little excessive.
I for one will opt out for the package check every time.Rant Off.
If you notice, CAPA associations are fairing no better. It comes down to the money.
11-11-2010, 07:02 PM
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Acl, you gotta admit that Alpa's message in October was pathetic. Hindsight is 20/20 and I can see they were working behind the scenes. They really do need to grow a pair though. I think a lot of us would like to see if they actually have teeth. Maybe age 65 means Alpa is just full of gummers!!!!
11-11-2010, 07:05 PM
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Has anyone worn a cup for the molestation exam yet? I'm seriously considering getting mine out of retirement from my stinky old hockey bag. How funny would it be for a TSA bonehead to knock on a cup. "Whats in your pants Mr. Pilot? It's my package holder, here why don't you hold it for me." 
11-11-2010, 07:08 PM
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11-11-2010, 07:09 PM
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11-11-2010, 07:11 PM
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11-11-2010, 07:11 PM
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11-11-2010, 07:21 PM
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Like I have said before Prater wanted to be on the right side of that issue. He saw where it was going and made a mistake on his position being different than that of the majority of his pilots.
On 65 it would have been OK to be on the wrong side of the issue, or to support a move to 62-63. It is all hindsight, but I place that one solely on his shoulders.
The AIT, 1500 and the NPRM are different animals entirely. To spew rhetoric for the news sound bites will result in gaining nothing for the profession, or for the safety of the passengers we fly, though it may be a few good "red meat" moment for us it will result in nothing permanent for the profession.
ALPA took the high ground on the NPRM and based off of its proposal on science, and not what we would "like." That makes it much harder to refute. Now that they are part of the ARC and to see this process though, they cannot publicly comment. It does hurt them that they opt not to comment, but only in the short term. I do not suspect that they will rubber stamp the current proposal as they have many issues that they are briefing all ALPA pilots at the LEC meeting though out the country. (Briefing is a ALPA National document)
On the 1500 hr cutout, what their stated position is, is nothing more than rumor once again. Yep, they came out with a letter trying not to give away their position so that they would not effect the outcome, but to carefully address the facts of the cutout. My personal guess is that alpa put together a decent proposal that uses tried and true aviation universities and places like Flight Safety that have proven track records, not the fly by night places that we are all aware off. The RAA probably scoffed, and leaked some half truths to undermine the ALPA position because they want a one size fits all cutout, not one that makes sense given the education and experiences of different aviators. I am sure there is a major disagreement and alpa is doing the right thing by keeping its head down, not commenting or throwing Babbitt under the bus.
On the AIT, you now see that they were not just sitting in DC drinking nice wine on your dime, but trying to get face time with members of congress that were on the other side of the country trying to save their seats.
They also know that the environment may not be quite as friendly come Jan 1st, so time is of the essences. None of these items can be done in a vacuum and all interrelate as they are all taking place at the same time with many of the same players.
Want CREWPASS give here, want 8 hrs of block in a day, give here, and the list goes on and on. If they said go pound sand, the decision would be made without a rational voice on your behalf sitting at the table and the end result would be that we would see no gains in any of these areas. Now I know which process will move the profession farther down the field and it is the one I support. I just hope many can stop for a second and see that this is exactly what is going on. Like it or not, it is the world we live in.
On 65 it would have been OK to be on the wrong side of the issue, or to support a move to 62-63. It is all hindsight, but I place that one solely on his shoulders.
The AIT, 1500 and the NPRM are different animals entirely. To spew rhetoric for the news sound bites will result in gaining nothing for the profession, or for the safety of the passengers we fly, though it may be a few good "red meat" moment for us it will result in nothing permanent for the profession.
ALPA took the high ground on the NPRM and based off of its proposal on science, and not what we would "like." That makes it much harder to refute. Now that they are part of the ARC and to see this process though, they cannot publicly comment. It does hurt them that they opt not to comment, but only in the short term. I do not suspect that they will rubber stamp the current proposal as they have many issues that they are briefing all ALPA pilots at the LEC meeting though out the country. (Briefing is a ALPA National document)
On the 1500 hr cutout, what their stated position is, is nothing more than rumor once again. Yep, they came out with a letter trying not to give away their position so that they would not effect the outcome, but to carefully address the facts of the cutout. My personal guess is that alpa put together a decent proposal that uses tried and true aviation universities and places like Flight Safety that have proven track records, not the fly by night places that we are all aware off. The RAA probably scoffed, and leaked some half truths to undermine the ALPA position because they want a one size fits all cutout, not one that makes sense given the education and experiences of different aviators. I am sure there is a major disagreement and alpa is doing the right thing by keeping its head down, not commenting or throwing Babbitt under the bus.
On the AIT, you now see that they were not just sitting in DC drinking nice wine on your dime, but trying to get face time with members of congress that were on the other side of the country trying to save their seats.
They also know that the environment may not be quite as friendly come Jan 1st, so time is of the essences. None of these items can be done in a vacuum and all interrelate as they are all taking place at the same time with many of the same players.
Want CREWPASS give here, want 8 hrs of block in a day, give here, and the list goes on and on. If they said go pound sand, the decision would be made without a rational voice on your behalf sitting at the table and the end result would be that we would see no gains in any of these areas. Now I know which process will move the profession farther down the field and it is the one I support. I just hope many can stop for a second and see that this is exactly what is going on. Like it or not, it is the world we live in.
11-11-2010, 07:23 PM
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11-11-2010, 07:36 PM
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