Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
11-11-2010, 12:42 PM
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11-11-2010, 12:43 PM
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The way that Crewpass will be set up, there is more to the cost than the TSA agent checking everything at security. The 50 bucks per pilot has more to do with the security of the program and database costs.
11-11-2010, 01:03 PM
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Looks like ALPA was doing their work yet again in the background before they came out with rhetoric. Now that they have laid the ground work, and built a consensus among the ALPA member airlines, they are now addressing what they have been doing about it, and where it will go from here.
11-11-2010, 01:06 PM
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Because it is a backside of the clock flight into the mountains.. and I mean REAL mountains..... FE is 8400'.. ITCZ... and you have been up all night besides. It is a good thing that the company has done that with the 757, and I certainly hope they do it with the 737.
11-11-2010, 01:08 PM
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I don't know why any pilots are volunteering money to pay for CrewPass.
It will end up being in each airlines best interest to pay the CrewPass fee and write it off as an expense.
Pilots, in general have a pretty low BS tolerance level. As more and more pilots "opt-out" of the machine scan, the TSA pat down lines will get longer and longer and soon will start affecting the D-0 performance.
Like most things, airline managements react quicker to things that cost them lots of money or might cost them money (potential upcoming legislation), than things that are conveniences.
This issue is scaling exponentially due in large part to online media sites like The Drudge Report. It will reach critical mass sooner rather than later and will start costing the airlines money and what little good will is left from their paying customers.
It's one thing for a passenger to miss a flight because it took them forever to get through the security back log. It is quite another when entire flights or maybe every flight at a major airport is late because the crews are stuck in the backlog of security caused by crew AND passengers choosing to opt out. At that point the $50 per crewmember will look realllllyy cheap.
It will end up being in each airlines best interest to pay the CrewPass fee and write it off as an expense.
Pilots, in general have a pretty low BS tolerance level. As more and more pilots "opt-out" of the machine scan, the TSA pat down lines will get longer and longer and soon will start affecting the D-0 performance.
Like most things, airline managements react quicker to things that cost them lots of money or might cost them money (potential upcoming legislation), than things that are conveniences.
This issue is scaling exponentially due in large part to online media sites like The Drudge Report. It will reach critical mass sooner rather than later and will start costing the airlines money and what little good will is left from their paying customers.
It's one thing for a passenger to miss a flight because it took them forever to get through the security back log. It is quite another when entire flights or maybe every flight at a major airport is late because the crews are stuck in the backlog of security caused by crew AND passengers choosing to opt out. At that point the $50 per crewmember will look realllllyy cheap.
11-11-2010, 01:16 PM
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Looks like ALPA was doing their work yet again in the background before they came out with rhetoric. Now that they have laid the ground work, and built a consensus among the ALPA member airlines, they are now addressing what they have been doing about it, and where it will go from here.
BTW, has USAPA or APA actually done anything about this other than beat their chests with a big pronouncement? Easy to yell and scream. It's harder to effect change. As usual, ALPA will ultimately be the hammer to find a solution to this.
11-11-2010, 01:30 PM
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No they can pay their own $50 or OPT OUT! I understand what you are saying, but I want to get crew pass up and running. Not at just the three airports in the test program. I already know your next question, what are we willing to give up, I don't know maybe scope.....
Just kidding.
Just kidding.
11-11-2010, 01:34 PM
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11-11-2010, 01:38 PM
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Come on acl. This is a webboard. We MUCH prefer RHETORIC over RESULTS.
BTW, has USAPA or APA actually done anything about this other than beat their chests with a big pronouncement? Easy to yell and scream. It's harder to effect change. As usual, ALPA will ultimately be the hammer to find a solution to this.
BTW, has USAPA or APA actually done anything about this other than beat their chests with a big pronouncement? Easy to yell and scream. It's harder to effect change. As usual, ALPA will ultimately be the hammer to find a solution to this.
11-11-2010, 01:45 PM
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This made me laugh. You shouldn't attack ACL though. He means well. I wish ALPA would put out a harsh public message like the other unions. We need public support to get this changed.
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