Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-28-2009, 05:22 PM
#5201
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So I should have just not gotten into this business in the first place? The pay has always sucked at the bottom. CAL starts people out at $30 an hour first year without health insurance.....I've decided not to take that kinda cut from my current pay, yet people like Carl like to blame others for problems they helped create....Buncha hypocrits......
As far as your last statement, helping to create something does not make you a hypocrit, at worst it makes you a party to it. We are all to blame for this predicament we are in. You for doing it and me for allowing it.
02-28-2009, 06:08 PM
#5202
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Position: CRJ200 Capt.
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You're just a fountain of ignorance today aren't you. Our flight attendants voted to do just that during bankruptcy when the judge gutted their contract. The case was taken to Federal Court. The court ruled that they could NOT strike in bankruptcy. After that ruling, a strike would have been considered an ILLEGAL job action.
Any other questions?
Carl
Any other questions?
Carl
There are other options...In 1998, the ASA pilots worked to rule because the NMB wouldn't release them...That works just as well as a strike...If you work to rule, the airline comes to a screaching halt....and you still get a paycheck....
What do you think of folks that take jobs at mainline carriers for "substandard pay"? Why don't you just quit and go somewhere you can be payed what you think you are worth.
You sure like to blame others...But I don't see what you are doing to fix things....Looks to me like you are throwing stones from your glass house....
02-28-2009, 06:12 PM
#5203
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Not what I was saying. I do think though, that people who accept the wages that they do, should not question the rates that people like Carl work for.
As far as your last statement, helping to create something does not make you a hypocrit, at worst it makes you a party to it. We are all to blame for this predicament we are in. You for doing it and me for allowing it.
As far as your last statement, helping to create something does not make you a hypocrit, at worst it makes you a party to it. We are all to blame for this predicament we are in. You for doing it and me for allowing it.
He is a hypocrit because he doesn't do what he preaches....He should quit because he isn't being payed what he thinks he should be making.....I'm not going to take a lecture from a mainline pilot who is making about $150 dollars an hour to fly a 747.....I made 100K flying a turboprop last year....I am not the problem....
02-28-2009, 06:13 PM
#5204
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Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
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Joe,
You came into our house and started throwing stones.
Carl's got a heck of a job, one I hope to have some day.
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New Delta North FMC procedures? Anyone got anything "Latest and Greatest" about Delta?
There is an interesting economic analysis that says hub and spoke does not work, not sure I agree:
Tracing the Woes: An Empirical Analysis of the Airline Industry
You came into our house and started throwing stones.
Carl's got a heck of a job, one I hope to have some day.
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New Delta North FMC procedures? Anyone got anything "Latest and Greatest" about Delta?
There is an interesting economic analysis that says hub and spoke does not work, not sure I agree:
Tracing the Woes: An Empirical Analysis of the Airline Industry
02-28-2009, 06:18 PM
#5205
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Position: A-320A
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Yeah, all we could do is tell the younger regional guys that they will pay a steep price for accepting 15,000 per year in order to build time. Most wouldn't listen.
If those folks who fly the smaller jets had stood up for their own importance and their own profession a long time ago, we wouldn't be in this mess now. But they didn't. They needed to build time...to get qualified to fly for a major. A major that they aided in stagnating...thus ensuring less jobs at the majors.
Carl
If those folks who fly the smaller jets had stood up for their own importance and their own profession a long time ago, we wouldn't be in this mess now. But they didn't. They needed to build time...to get qualified to fly for a major. A major that they aided in stagnating...thus ensuring less jobs at the majors.
Carl
02-28-2009, 06:20 PM
#5206
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I only question his pay because he is lecturing others who are trying to make a career just like he is...It's easy for him to lecture those of us who started in a career that he helped drag down....
He is a hypocrit because he doesn't do what he preaches....He should quit because he isn't being payed what he thinks he should be making.....I'm not going to take a lecture from a mainline pilot who is making about $150 dollars an hour to fly a 747.....I made 100K flying a turboprop last year....I am not the problem....
He is a hypocrit because he doesn't do what he preaches....He should quit because he isn't being payed what he thinks he should be making.....I'm not going to take a lecture from a mainline pilot who is making about $150 dollars an hour to fly a 747.....I made 100K flying a turboprop last year....I am not the problem....
100 K a year busting your six.
A FO at DAL can make that after a few years too, what is your point. It took you 15 years to get there. Plus, you had a contract signing/payback bonus last year.
02-28-2009, 06:31 PM
#5207
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The thing I have is I have control of my schedule...Controlling my schedule and time off is the most important thing to me....
I didn't "bust my 6" and have mainline friends who work more days than I do....
02-28-2009, 06:39 PM
#5208
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I only question his pay because he is lecturing others who are trying to make a career just like he is...It's easy for him to lecture those of us who started in a career that he helped drag down....
He is a hypocrit because he doesn't do what he preaches....He should quit because he isn't being payed what he thinks he should be making.....I'm not going to take a lecture from a mainline pilot who is making about $150 dollars an hour to fly a 747.....I made 100K flying a turboprop last year....I am not the problem....
He is a hypocrit because he doesn't do what he preaches....He should quit because he isn't being payed what he thinks he should be making.....I'm not going to take a lecture from a mainline pilot who is making about $150 dollars an hour to fly a 747.....I made 100K flying a turboprop last year....I am not the problem....
If, however, you go to work for a company at a substandard wage then I assert that you are. Did I allow this to happen? Yes, but only because I would not fly a jet for $70 an hour.
Call it what you will... Hypocrite seems wrong to me.
02-28-2009, 06:46 PM
#5209
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Is an Inverse Assignment a better deal than a Green Slip?
02-28-2009, 06:49 PM
#5210
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If you make $100 an hour flying a turboprop then you are not the problem. 83ish hours a month times 12...
If, however, you go to work for a company at a substandard wage then I assert that you are. Did I allow this to happen? Yes, but only because I would not fly a jet for $70 an hour.
Call it what you will... Hypocrite seems wrong to me.
If, however, you go to work for a company at a substandard wage then I assert that you are. Did I allow this to happen? Yes, but only because I would not fly a jet for $70 an hour.
Call it what you will... Hypocrite seems wrong to me.
How is anyone supposed to enter this career with your philosophy? The pay sucks at the bottom everywhere and is one of the reasons I am not going to start over again at the bottom.....Everyone who goes to work in this business does so for a substandard wage....a substandard wage that the union negotiated....I hardly see how that is the fault of someone who is looking for a job.....
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