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Old 11-07-2010, 06:02 PM
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I've heard about this, on my interview, Capt... oh wait, this isn't an interview question?

Damn.

Well, you got his i.d., call in sick for him. The problem is when its border line. You hardly know the guy, you might not have been with him wherever he was the night before, you're sitting there wondering, is he? I know when a buddy is plowed, I don't know as quickly when it's someone I hardly know.
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Old 11-07-2010, 06:06 PM
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FWIW, as to short call, thanks to the excessive WS's that go out on the 88 in ATL a PM short call equates to around 8-9am, sometimes 1030 sometimes as late as 1130am!

AM is 4am. It's been a long time since I was awarded anything after 12 much less 1 or 2 in the afternoon. So rarely does PM mean PM.
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Old 11-07-2010, 06:10 PM
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Different thread...
Today, Sunday, I had short-call from 6:00am-6:00pm. I checked around 12:30pm or so, and saw that we had two guys on S/C tomorrow, and that I was assigned long call for tomorrow. At 7:44PM, I got a call from (404) area code. At first, I thought "cha-ching, Green slip!!!" When I answered, the scheduler, very polite, as always, said something like "can ya' help us out tomorrow, we need you on another short-call, from 7:30-7:30". I live in base, so I said "sure, got it, no problem". My question is, having answered the phone already, what are my options. Can I refuse the S/C, and hold onto my L/C tomorrow? I'm not trying to bust anybody's chops or anything. I just want to know what my obligations are, under those circumstances. Oh, yeah. I asked the guy at C/S what the deal was, and he indicated that a couple of guys have called in sick. I haven't checked the reserve list yet, but wanted to see what you guys think. Much thanks.
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Old 11-07-2010, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
You can't generate an "out time" on PMDL aircraft without the main cabin door closed. Spread the word. Bust that myth.

The difference is that we use Main Doors closed and Red Beacon, whereas the PMNWA jets use Main Cabin doors and parking brake.
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Old 11-07-2010, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyingViking
I think you missed the point, why 3:30AM..... Nothing against shortcalls, do them all the time.



100% Agreed.

Simple a 0500 report in LGA for a 0600 launch to ATL. That is why the NYC 7ER has it.
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Old 11-07-2010, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
The difference is that we use Main Doors closed and Red Beacon, whereas the PMNWA jets use Main Cabin doors and parking brake.
Not on all the south fleet, and that's part of the problem. I think the 777 and some versions of the 737 have different wiring.
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Old 11-07-2010, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by IrishTiger
Good post. Absolutely make the guy call in sick. If I was in that situation (being the sober pilot) and the drunk one didn't want to call in, I'D call in sick. That flight will not leave, and I'll do everything I can to protect the other guy. After we get back to the hotel, we'll be sitting down to have a little chat.

Better yet do not leave the hotel.
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Old 11-07-2010, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
So let's say you (the sober one) call in sick. Your airline reroutes another pilot to take your place for that flight. Now what?
Go to the DPAC website on the DALPA website. Read the guidance. Have a question about a crew member, you do not need their consent to stop the operation. It is a "no fault" type of event.
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Old 11-07-2010, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Not on all the south fleet, and that's part of the problem. I think the 777 and some versions of the 737 have different wiring.

Good catch. That is true. Some of the newer 777's and 73N's are wired the way the NWA jets are.
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Old 11-07-2010, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Jughead
No, I get it. 0330 sucks no matter where you are. But I get 0400, 0500, 0600, 0700 SC's all the time. Those would be bad for a commuter too. Where do you draw the line on a good time to begin SC?

At the risk of being labeled an ALPA sympathizer, they're really not to blame for that.
How about no SC before noon on your first block of reserve days. Nobody likes to commute to SC on their day off, and scheduling loves to give you SC early in the AM on your first day of reserve.

I also think we should get extra credit for SC days and be allowed to bid to sit SC. For every SC day above 4 we should get an extra 2 hours tacked onto guarantee. That way local guys could pick them up and make extra $ and commuters wouldn't have to commute to SC. There are plenty of ways to make our reserve system better and improve the lives of both commuters and local guys.
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