tsquare

I don't know everything about their work rules.. hell I can hardly keep OURs straight. That's THEIR problem. I can tell you this though.. they aren't going to work in the galleys of an old ship. the south side FAs have pretty decent rules as far as I can tell. At least they were good enough to not want to go the AFA route.

forgot to bid

Nah, get on there big buddy and see what happens...

Go on... jump in... that's all chocolate anyways you know...

GunshipGuy

I tried to express this point to one of the FAs I was having the discussion with, but was cut off in mid sentence, quite rudely as a matter of fact, and wasn't allowed to complete the sentence or thought. I attributed this to the level of alcohol she had consumed and the emotions regarding the subject. Instead of trying to "win" the point and force her to hear what I had to say I let it go in the interest of keeping things from getting unruly.

slowplay

I don't think the fNWA FA's will be shell shocked. They've changed representation in the middle of a bankruptcy (raided by AFA), been 1113'd and had an Appeals Court rule that they had no right to strike. A payraise to Delta rates, the increase from a 10% to 15% profit sharing plan and lots of DAL management "love" will make the first dance a little smoother.

You're spot on with your last paragraph. AFA will appeal and there'll be some rhetoric flying for awhile. I'll just keep doing my job and try to make it work out best for all of us in my immediate sphere of influence.

Jughead

Now I got ya...call in another union with a good reputation, like the Teamsters.

forgot to bid

Really? I got punched in the face and told how it was going to be and that was it. I got along great once I was able to see out my right eye ag... oh wait, mixing topics here. That was my first day 88 ATL.

I have to agree. I almost look forward to flying with a former north guy just to hear his (or hers) stories. See what they think, learn a bit.

Now, I'm sure this happens on the north side but several times really good south FA's have made a negative comment about the north FA's. When asked I say what I saw a random Captain tell them the other day and that's been that the north FA's have been great. Very nice and easy to work with. There is kind of a shock at that statement. But it's true so it's easy to say. Everyone has been great thus far.

forgot to bid

Wonder if an in-house union would've passed?

Wonder how the AFA is handling this right now?

iaflyer

I think it's a fear of the unknown. Some of those ex-NWA flight attendants have been under a union contract for a long time. Now things are going to change in ways they don't know, and they aren't protected against future change.

I think they ex-NWA FAs will have a better career because of it, but a) I'm not a FA and b) haven't worked for Delta for that long. The Delta FAs seem like a happier bunch than the ex-NWA FAs I've met and talked to at work. Now some of that can be blamed on the corporate culture at NWA. From what I've seen at Delta, the company does a decent job taking care of the FAs. Better care than I think the AFA did. We'll see.

Ferd149

I know Jug, you've never been a smart ass, seriously.

I've never gotten into specifics with them because I don't care that much. I'm one of those business majors who believes that in a perfect world there is no need for unions. However, the airline industry has proven to me there is no perfect world

In general, they are a beat child. NWA really did treat them like vending machines and the union was seen as a safety net. Find holes in the safety net? Replace the union, ie why they are in their 3rd union in the 15 years I've been here.

So, time will tell how this thing goes. I agree with Sink on how this thing probably should go forward.

For a "southie", I just need to warn you that you are perceived as part of the problem......as allied with "your FAs" thus against them. So for the short term, I suggest trying to "out nice" them

Ferd

Sink r8

That's true, that was a funny statement.

I'm not sure, but I hear a number of F/A's say they are a better alternative. One guy was talking about Teamsters at Tower Air, and AFA elsewhere, before he came to Delta, and he says Teamsters was very, very easy, and AFA was drama, drama, drama. I'm not pushing for Teamsters.

No union, Teamsters, IAM, in-house... I don't really mind, as long as we have F/A's that kind of have a sense of who they are as a group, and are professional and competent. The path to our security goes through their ability to serve passengers well enough, and I want them happy enough. This vote was about AFA's survival, but it wasn't about what they really want as a group. I'm simply hoping the environment going forward is positive enough that they can get to know each other calmly, get to some consensus, whatever that is, that makes them happy enough... and the result is that our passengers actually get to eat, pee, sleep, then leave the aircraft without a feeling of raw hate or neglect towards the airline.