Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-31-2010, 10:16 AM
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10-31-2010, 10:17 AM
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Sink,
I'm sure passengers have to go through the same thing if they choose to bypass the scan. But, if they choose to be groped, they can sit in their nice little seat in the back of the airplane and fume about it for the duration of their flight.
We, on the other hand, have to review weather, logbooks, do walk arounds, brief flight attendants, load flight plans, check fuel slips, make pa's, taxi, takeoff and land, immediately after the offense.
This groping is really what I have an issue with, because of the description the guy I'm flying with gave of the reaction his previous captain had. He said he had reconstructive surgery of a knee or something and set's off the regular detector every time and every time he will have to go through the "frisk" when there is no body scanner available.
I made a joke of it at first, and asked if he could ask for a female TSA agent to do it. But, in light of the above description of what the frisk involves, I don't think it is a joking matter.
When you are deadheading in the back of a jet, you don't want your pilot to be "visibly shaken" because of some new TSA procedure and I don't think it's reasonable to expect us to get used to it.
If that is what ALPA is proposing, they are about to get an earful from me.
I'm sure passengers have to go through the same thing if they choose to bypass the scan. But, if they choose to be groped, they can sit in their nice little seat in the back of the airplane and fume about it for the duration of their flight.
We, on the other hand, have to review weather, logbooks, do walk arounds, brief flight attendants, load flight plans, check fuel slips, make pa's, taxi, takeoff and land, immediately after the offense.
This groping is really what I have an issue with, because of the description the guy I'm flying with gave of the reaction his previous captain had. He said he had reconstructive surgery of a knee or something and set's off the regular detector every time and every time he will have to go through the "frisk" when there is no body scanner available.
I made a joke of it at first, and asked if he could ask for a female TSA agent to do it. But, in light of the above description of what the frisk involves, I don't think it is a joking matter.
When you are deadheading in the back of a jet, you don't want your pilot to be "visibly shaken" because of some new TSA procedure and I don't think it's reasonable to expect us to get used to it.
If that is what ALPA is proposing, they are about to get an earful from me.
10-31-2010, 10:19 AM
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As a friendly reminder for 88 drivers: the vibrators (not talking about engines, FA's, brakes, etc and you know it) you love so much should never ever ever ever be turned off in flight.
Can you say jetway spot checks from our friends who are just here to help?
Sincerely,
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Can you say jetway spot checks from our friends who are just here to help?
Sincerely,
FTB
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10-31-2010, 10:31 AM
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10-31-2010, 11:35 AM
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Picked up a white slip that ends with a DH. I want to change my DH flight I know we can but I can't figure out how.
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10-31-2010, 11:38 AM
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10-31-2010, 11:43 AM
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In eCrew/iCrew go to "NRSA Travel" menu selection along top of screen and select "Jumpseat/Deadhead". Last option on that menu is "Positive Space Deadhead for Backend Deviations". That's the one you want.
10-31-2010, 11:48 AM
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I know of 4 times it happened at Northwest, between 2002 and now. I don't know that it matters if it was an accident. A pilot with a valid ID carrying a weapon through security even by accident represents in the best-case, a "trusted agent" (as we contend) who doesn't know *** he's doing, and where his weapon is.
Bad, Bad, Bad.
I'm not arguing whether or not real airline pilots try to use weapons in the cockpit, I'm merely pointing out we might not be the "trusted agents" we claim to be when it comes to going through security in our studly uniforms, flashing our valid ID's.
Bad, Bad, Bad.
I'm not arguing whether or not real airline pilots try to use weapons in the cockpit, I'm merely pointing out we might not be the "trusted agents" we claim to be when it comes to going through security in our studly uniforms, flashing our valid ID's.
10-31-2010, 11:50 AM
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Guys
On the whole security issue. Yesterday, I DH'd three times (yep, three times, great scheduling system we have). Any way, at two of the stations, SAN and SLC, the gate agent had to input all of my personnel info, to include my passport info, into the system before I could be listed for a DH. What's up with that? Its crew travel! I'm already through security. Any ideas? This is BS. (I did, however, get first on both flights so it wasn't all bad).
On the whole security issue. Yesterday, I DH'd three times (yep, three times, great scheduling system we have). Any way, at two of the stations, SAN and SLC, the gate agent had to input all of my personnel info, to include my passport info, into the system before I could be listed for a DH. What's up with that? Its crew travel! I'm already through security. Any ideas? This is BS. (I did, however, get first on both flights so it wasn't all bad).
Buzz, this is a IT issue that they are working on. Go read last week's trim tab (two weeks ago) it explains the reason in there.
10-31-2010, 11:51 AM
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I know of 4 times it happened at Northwest, between 2002 and now. I don't know that it matters if it was an accident. A pilot with a valid ID carrying a weapon through security even by accident represents in the best-case, a "trusted agent" (as we contend) who doesn't know *** he's doing, and where his weapon is.
Bad, Bad, Bad.
I'm not arguing whether or not real airline pilots try to use weapons in the cockpit, I'm merely pointing out we might not be the "trusted agents" we claim to be when it comes to going through security in our studly uniforms, flashing our valid ID's.
Bad, Bad, Bad.
I'm not arguing whether or not real airline pilots try to use weapons in the cockpit, I'm merely pointing out we might not be the "trusted agents" we claim to be when it comes to going through security in our studly uniforms, flashing our valid ID's.
All very valid points, and what do you think the results would be if a weapon were used in flight by one of us? What do you think the ramifications would be? I am guessing a lot worse.
I hate going thought the routine as much as the next guy, the difference is that I can understand that there are reasons to do what they do, and we as pilot do not have a "need to know" in regard to these reasons.
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