Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-28-2010, 09:53 AM
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Slow,
Sir, we don't measure this game by "you lose, I win." We measure our union by its ability to bring together pilots for the purpose of collective bargaining. We measure our union by the power it has at the table. Proactive engagement and working with management to our mutual benefit is a good thing, but it is not a replacement for a monopoly on their labor supply.
One leading candidate for MEC Chairman told me, and I quote, "Scope does not matter." His opinion is based, like yours, on the fact that economic trends are resulting in management pulling down RJ flying. Therefore we do not need to "invest" in job protection provisions which are not needed.
What scares me is that many completely fail to grasp what this is about. It is about UNITY. It is about a union powerful enough to come to the table and say "we represent pilot labor. You can not operate your airline without us." Every job outsourced makes this statement less and less true.
If scope has no value, then that should cut either way. If it does not matter, the management should not care if we close the loopholes in our contracts as the contracts they permit expire.
Of course it does matter. By minimizing scope's importance it prepares expectations for the next big scope sale. Richard Anderson now publicly draws the line at 100 seats and is talking more about the C Series engine being a games changing tech. Our Company publishes a 100 seat line with no rebuttal from ALPA. We've already outsourced a 122 seat platform that is restricted to an arbitrary seat limit which could easily vanish under economic stress. The C Series waits with no firm orders (except at "regional" airlines) as everyone waits to see who's going to operate the thing. I sit here with a Delta seniority number wondering too.
Of course the biggest storm cloud on the horizon is economic. Can we afford to replace our MD88 and 757 fleet? The 88's life could be extended, but the 757's structural limits are more finite.
Further, if "scope does not matter" then by extrapolation neither do our pilots' jobs. That is a terrible political position. We need to renounce our support for outsourcing in unequivocal terms. Sorry if that ties your hands, but unity is job one in a union.
Sir, we don't measure this game by "you lose, I win." We measure our union by its ability to bring together pilots for the purpose of collective bargaining. We measure our union by the power it has at the table. Proactive engagement and working with management to our mutual benefit is a good thing, but it is not a replacement for a monopoly on their labor supply.
One leading candidate for MEC Chairman told me, and I quote, "Scope does not matter." His opinion is based, like yours, on the fact that economic trends are resulting in management pulling down RJ flying. Therefore we do not need to "invest" in job protection provisions which are not needed.
What scares me is that many completely fail to grasp what this is about. It is about UNITY. It is about a union powerful enough to come to the table and say "we represent pilot labor. You can not operate your airline without us." Every job outsourced makes this statement less and less true.
If scope has no value, then that should cut either way. If it does not matter, the management should not care if we close the loopholes in our contracts as the contracts they permit expire.
Of course it does matter. By minimizing scope's importance it prepares expectations for the next big scope sale. Richard Anderson now publicly draws the line at 100 seats and is talking more about the C Series engine being a games changing tech. Our Company publishes a 100 seat line with no rebuttal from ALPA. We've already outsourced a 122 seat platform that is restricted to an arbitrary seat limit which could easily vanish under economic stress. The C Series waits with no firm orders (except at "regional" airlines) as everyone waits to see who's going to operate the thing. I sit here with a Delta seniority number wondering too.
Of course the biggest storm cloud on the horizon is economic. Can we afford to replace our MD88 and 757 fleet? The 88's life could be extended, but the 757's structural limits are more finite.
Further, if "scope does not matter" then by extrapolation neither do our pilots' jobs. That is a terrible political position. We need to renounce our support for outsourcing in unequivocal terms. Sorry if that ties your hands, but unity is job one in a union.
10-28-2010, 10:16 AM
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Well.... no, you are exactly correct, but if the flight is "on time" who cares? I'm sure the extra 20 minutes that might be added between LGA and BUF isn't going to cause economic catastrophy for any business... but I digress. My point was that in a short haul market, (<250 miles or so) a turboprop is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more efficient to fly than a jet... unless economies of scale come into play, in which case an RJ shouldn't enter the discussion. I have never really understood how RJets came to be so popular on short stage length routes. Other than, I guess because people have this irrational fear of propellers..
I keed I keed
10-28-2010, 10:52 AM
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10-28-2010, 10:56 AM
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That's Homer walking backwards and dancing evidently, but still, he was walking backwards and thats because someone got to talk to someone high about the order of that performance check and someone low now gets it. I was also shown the big picture but cannot reveal it because it was big and beautiful. And in it, I saw north thanking the south and the south thanking the north, I saw Slow drinking a Samuel L. Jackson beer with Bar, ACL and Carl and they were all happy, I saw 80 showing his train set to Hockey and Super and J29 and they were happy, Tsquare had bought Luvjockey a round because he was happy, newk had found the ultimate 9- one that could handle him, cheerleader pics had become cheerleaders and red dresses were red dresses again. And I saw so much more and you were all very happy, and know that while I cannot mention you all or tell you what I saw it was all very beautiful.
All that possible, by using the O2 mask. Maybe I should've cleaned it but why?
All that possible, by using the O2 mask. Maybe I should've cleaned it but why?
10-28-2010, 11:04 AM
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Qantas accidentally pumps nitrogen into aircraft's oxygen tanks
Qantas Airways has inspected dozens of its aircraft and notified some overseas carriers after it was discovered Qantas engineers at Melbourne airport mistakenly pumped nitrogen into the emergency oxygen tanks of one of Qantas’ Boeing 747s.
Cheers
George
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10-28-2010, 11:07 AM
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More MD90s on the way:
Switzerland's Hello bringing in A320s to replace MD-90s
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George
Switzerland's Hello bringing in A320s to replace MD-90s
Switzerland-based carrier Hello is introducing Airbus A320 twinjets to replace its Boeing MD-90 fleet...Hello is to start phasing out the MD-90s in November, with a "farewell flight" planned for 30 January, coinciding with the World Economic Forum...Hello's MD-90s are among a batch of the type being leased by SAS Group to a US carrier.
George
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10-28-2010, 11:09 AM
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Perhaps this article can provide some "inspiration"
Saudi Arabian 'committed' to 787 despite apparent 777 plan
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George
Saudi Arabian 'committed' to 787 despite apparent 777 plan
Cheers
George
10-28-2010, 11:34 AM
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So, let's see the potential fleet:
DC-9-51, MD-88, MD-90, MD-90 with enhanced flight deck configuration and the 717.
Hey don't laugh, whether it ever happens or not, it's been looked at.
10-28-2010, 12:01 PM
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10-28-2010, 12:10 PM
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SWEEET.
Well, look at it this way, SWA is going to pay $40M to retrofit their 737 classics with a new cockpit. That's $266,666.67 per plane, thanks to Excel I figured that out on my own.
$266,666.67 x MD88/DC95 fleet of 151 aircraft equals slightly more than what SWA will pay. But it gets you RNP right? Or does it. SWA is also paying $175 million to bring its 733s to RNP standards... hmmm. Thats not cool.
source: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ng-and-ge.html
Now George, what about:
Well, look at it this way, SWA is going to pay $40M to retrofit their 737 classics with a new cockpit. That's $266,666.67 per plane, thanks to Excel I figured that out on my own.
$266,666.67 x MD88/DC95 fleet of 151 aircraft equals slightly more than what SWA will pay. But it gets you RNP right? Or does it. SWA is also paying $175 million to bring its 733s to RNP standards... hmmm. Thats not cool.
source: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ng-and-ge.html
Now George, what about:
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