Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-27-2010, 10:10 AM
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10-27-2010, 10:13 AM
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[/I]Why don't we enter the "no spin zone", Nu?
At the merger there were 768 mainline aircraft. Now there are 726. That reduction happened over the worst airline recession in recent memory. If you look at the last few SEC reports, management has contracted to add 21 more MD-90's, 12 757's, 7 767-300 and 2 767-300 ER's back to the mainline fleet. They're also looking at purchasing a bunch more MD-90's. So they've got 42 + aircraft coming into the fleet over the next year or so. To be fair, we'll also lose 7 DC-9's. Paltry? I guess you've got shiny jet syndrome.
As to the large RJ's owning our narrowbody lift, the 10-Q has a different answer. DCI domestic ASM's decreased from 23.6% of total domestic ASM's in 2009 to 21.6% of total domestic ASM's in the same period of 2010. The number of departures, block hours, and airframes has gone down dramatically too. DCI had 715 aircraft last year. Now they've got 642, and that's before the scheduled reduction of 52 aircraft at CMR and 32 at Mesaba over the next two years.
With the numbers posted above, I'd say your view of "stagnation here to stay" is wrong.
At the merger there were 768 mainline aircraft. Now there are 726. That reduction happened over the worst airline recession in recent memory. If you look at the last few SEC reports, management has contracted to add 21 more MD-90's, 12 757's, 7 767-300 and 2 767-300 ER's back to the mainline fleet. They're also looking at purchasing a bunch more MD-90's. So they've got 42 + aircraft coming into the fleet over the next year or so. To be fair, we'll also lose 7 DC-9's. Paltry? I guess you've got shiny jet syndrome.
As to the large RJ's owning our narrowbody lift, the 10-Q has a different answer. DCI domestic ASM's decreased from 23.6% of total domestic ASM's in 2009 to 21.6% of total domestic ASM's in the same period of 2010. The number of departures, block hours, and airframes has gone down dramatically too. DCI had 715 aircraft last year. Now they've got 642, and that's before the scheduled reduction of 52 aircraft at CMR and 32 at Mesaba over the next two years.
With the numbers posted above, I'd say your view of "stagnation here to stay" is wrong.
Face it, nothing is going to make us happy other than admission that outsourcing our work was a mistake that DID result in the loss of mainline jobs and has lasting effects that continues to weaken ALPA and degrade our profession. Every time a jet full of Delta passengers operates without a Delta crew, it IS career stagnation for somebody.
The economic death of a three generations old 50 seat jet does not change our opinion of our union's failure to recognize job protection as job #1. If our union had actively participated in the recovery of flying to mainline, then it could take credit for the results.
As far as stagnation goes, most of us have moved backwards since the merger. While your numbers are good and accurate, the perception is quite the opposite. Since bankruptcy Delta has decreased block hours substantially ... ALPA gets painted with the results ... although "unfair" the perception is the reality when silliness like the DPA starts getting cards from upwards of a third of Delta pilots.
With our new MEC is it my hope we will break from past practice and look to the future with a more fundamental view of our union's role. IMHO, D ALPA needs to politically capitalize on the renewal of our MEC. The first way to do this is by renouncing union facilitated outsourcing and promoting good old grass roots unity.
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10-27-2010, 10:26 AM
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Well Bar, that is one darn good post.
10-27-2010, 10:30 AM
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On a lighter note,
Brett Favre is out with new commercials:
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10-27-2010, 10:39 AM
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As far as stagnation goes, most of us have moved backwards since the merger. While your numbers are good and accurate, the perception is quite the opposite. Since bankruptcy Delta has decreased block hours substantially ... ALPA gets painted with the results ... although "unfair" the perception is the reality when silliness like the DPA starts getting cards from upwards of a third of Delta pilots.
With our new MEC is it my hope we will break from past practice and look to the future with a more fundamental view of our union's role. IMHO, D ALPA needs to politically capitalize on the renewal of our MEC. The first way to do this is by renouncing union facilitated outsourcing and promoting good old grass roots unity.
I agree with much of what you've said, but ALPA national has burned their bridge with me. I'm really not interested in trying to effect change from within. ALPA national has made huge strides in the wrong direction. Example one: Age 65.
Example two: The growth of regional carriers at the expense of mainline with ALPA national's approval.
Example three: Their recent endorsement of relaxing the proposed 1,500 hour rule.
Example four: Their recent endorsement of 10 hour daily flight time limitations.
How many more examples do the ALPA apologists need before they see how disastrous ALPA national has been for the careers of Delta pilots?
Personally. I've had enough, (more than enough, really). As I mentioned earlier I want a union that represents the best interest of the Delta pilots (and only the Delta pilots). I believe all four examples I provided above are detrimental to Delta pilots.
10-27-2010, 10:42 AM
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There is another way to look at it - that's good if Comair and ASA screw ups hurt Delta because that it the price they and WE pay for believing, as our union chairman said, that RJs are good for Delta.
10-27-2010, 10:42 AM
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Bar,
I agree with much of what you've said, but ALPA national has burned their bridge with me. I'm really not interested in trying to effect change from within. ALPA national has made huge strides in the wrong direction. Example one: Age 65.
Example two: The growth of regional carriers at the expense of mainline with ALPA national's approval.
Example three: Their recent endorsement of relaxing the proposed 1,500 hour rule.
Example four: Their recent endorsement of 10 hour daily flight time limitations.
How many more examples do the ALPA apologists need before they see how disastrous ALPA national has been for the careers of Delta pilots?
Personally. I've had enough, (more than enough, really). As I mentioned earlier I want a union that represents the best interest of the Delta pilots (and only the Delta pilots). I believe all four examples I provided above are detrimental to Delta pilots.
I agree with much of what you've said, but ALPA national has burned their bridge with me. I'm really not interested in trying to effect change from within. ALPA national has made huge strides in the wrong direction. Example one: Age 65.
Example two: The growth of regional carriers at the expense of mainline with ALPA national's approval.
Example three: Their recent endorsement of relaxing the proposed 1,500 hour rule.
Example four: Their recent endorsement of 10 hour daily flight time limitations.
How many more examples do the ALPA apologists need before they see how disastrous ALPA national has been for the careers of Delta pilots?
Personally. I've had enough, (more than enough, really). As I mentioned earlier I want a union that represents the best interest of the Delta pilots (and only the Delta pilots). I believe all four examples I provided above are detrimental to Delta pilots.
10-27-2010, 11:06 AM
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For those who know off hand, for all of us who wouldn't know where to look and should've awoken our kid from a nap a 1/2 hour ago but since mama isn't home... what would a ASA or Skywest or Pinnacle have to do to be kicked out of DCI early, kind of like Mesa?
I know that sounds militant, but what I'm getting at is when you commit to long term contracts did the one with leverage (ma Delta) give up too much to those with no leverage (regionals who suckle)?
I know that sounds militant, but what I'm getting at is when you commit to long term contracts did the one with leverage (ma Delta) give up too much to those with no leverage (regionals who suckle)?
10-27-2010, 11:13 AM
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10-27-2010, 11:33 AM
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Bar,
I agree with much of what you've said, but ALPA national has burned their bridge with me. I'm really not interested in trying to effect change from within. ALPA national has made huge strides in the wrong direction. Example one: Age 65.
Example two: The growth of regional carriers at the expense of mainline with ALPA national's approval.
Example three: Their recent endorsement of relaxing the proposed 1,500 hour rule.
Example four: Their recent endorsement of 10 hour daily flight time limitations.
How many more examples do the ALPA apologists need before they see how disastrous ALPA national has been for the careers of Delta pilots?
Personally. I've had enough, (more than enough, really). As I mentioned earlier I want a union that represents the best interest of the Delta pilots (and only the Delta pilots). I believe all four examples I provided above are detrimental to Delta pilots.
I agree with much of what you've said, but ALPA national has burned their bridge with me. I'm really not interested in trying to effect change from within. ALPA national has made huge strides in the wrong direction. Example one: Age 65.
Example two: The growth of regional carriers at the expense of mainline with ALPA national's approval.
Example three: Their recent endorsement of relaxing the proposed 1,500 hour rule.
Example four: Their recent endorsement of 10 hour daily flight time limitations.
How many more examples do the ALPA apologists need before they see how disastrous ALPA national has been for the careers of Delta pilots?
Personally. I've had enough, (more than enough, really). As I mentioned earlier I want a union that represents the best interest of the Delta pilots (and only the Delta pilots). I believe all four examples I provided above are detrimental to Delta pilots.
ALPA has had plenty of opportunities to redeem themselves...and they screwed up every time. I am not willing to hand out the lube and bend over anymore. It is time for something new.
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