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10-26-2010, 01:55 PM

#50901

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by scambo1

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Carl;

Is this an official poll? Won't it give away our bargaining position?

Well played sir!

Carl

10-26-2010, 02:04 PM

#50902

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by satchip

Only through a profitable company will we realize major LONG TERM wage gains.

You won't realize anything if you won't fight for it. In your case, you don't even want to ask!

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Extracting a 65% raise may make guys like Carl rich but they will only last till the next down turn.

It's not extracting...it's restoring!

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When that comes then I along with the other bottom third will be on the street, the top guys will be back to previous levels of compensation, and Carl and his ilk will be laughing all the way to the bank.

No. When that happens, we pilots do what we've always done. We give what is necessary to save our companies. And if you would lower your neurosis long enough to think, you would realize that the top third takes the same hit as the middle and bottom third when pay cuts come. Nobody laughs all the way to the bank...except management that is.

Carl

10-26-2010, 02:12 PM

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Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Reducing debt, buying jets with cash etc, is good for us the "Joe" employee.

That's true. I just don't want anyone to forget where the money is coming from for the next 9 quarters and beyond...the pilots' extreme sacrifices. Don't forget...don't forget!

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

If DAL paid off its entire debt it would free up 2 billion plus dollars a year in money that is spent on interest for financing that debt. Guess where that could go? You guessed it, employees, and a huge initiative to renew the airline. Everyone one wins.

Not if you don't fight for it! And certainly not if you do management's job for them by trying to lower your fellow pilots' expectations before Section 6 even begins! I'll tell you man, you wouldn't even be enjoying the low pay we're getting now if all of us old farts had your attitude years ago. Grow a freakin spine!

Carl

10-26-2010, 02:18 PM

#50904

Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

If DAL makes 1.3 billion in profit this year, our pay restoration takes all of that and turns DAL in to a company that is barely in the black.

No it doesn't. It just means they wouldn't have been able to pay down quite as much debt. Get your facts straight. Then stop doing management's job for them.

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Find a way to get pilot pay equal industry wide and you make pilot costs, a fix cost and not a variable cost. Given every pilot association's action in the 1113C era we all agreed that we were in fact a variable cost.

No, the bankrupcy judge agreed we were a variable cost.

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No one argues that work needs to be done, it is just "how" we want the work done.

I don't think you mean that at all. I think you're all about lowering the expectations of your fellow pilots so that you get noticed by management some day. Your "work" here is plainly obvious.

Carl

10-26-2010, 02:20 PM

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Carl Spackler

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Originally Posted by tsquare

And if DAL paid of it's entire debt it would make us a huge takeover target. There is a fine balance that must be maintained which has just enough to keep raiders at bay yet be able to continually cry poor.

Man is THAT ever true!

Carl

10-26-2010, 02:39 PM

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formerdal

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

I really hope you're a cubicle guy pretending to be a pilot.

Carl

I think many here including myself had been thinking the same about you!

10-26-2010, 04:32 PM

#50907

acl65pilot

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

That's true. I just don't want anyone to forget where the money is coming from for the next 9 quarters and beyond...the pilots' extreme sacrifices. Don't forget...don't forget!

Not if you don't fight for it! And certainly not if you do management's job for them by trying to lower your fellow pilots' expectations before Section 6 even begins! I'll tell you man, you wouldn't even be enjoying the low pay we're getting now if all of us old farts had your attitude years ago. Grow a freakin spine!

Carl

Carl, Carl, Carl. Spine is there, the difference is it is attached to patience.

I am all for going for the exact contractual value at the table in which will be just below the number the company decides is not enough to go after in the next down turn/crisis. Do not mistake this for no spine.

10-26-2010, 04:35 PM

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acl65pilot

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler

No it doesn't. It just means they wouldn't have been able to pay down quite as much debt. Get your facts straight. Then stop doing management's job for them.

No, the bankrupcy judge agreed we were a variable cost.

I don't think you mean that at all. I think you're all about lowering the expectations of your fellow pilots so that you get noticed by management some day. Your "work" here is plainly obvious.

Carl

No Carl we did by voting yes to our respective 1113C contracts.

Carl, save the expectation drivel. How about you volunteer for ALPA again, quit dividing the group with DPA and get our pilots unified.

Some would accuse you of doing management's work by dividing the group as well.

Last edited by acl65pilot; 10-26-2010 at 04:56 PM.

10-26-2010, 04:42 PM

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johnso29

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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude

747-8
777-300
747-400

Did I win?

If you're right, then we all win.

10-26-2010, 05:29 PM

#50910

Splash

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Carl, save the expectation drivel. How about you volunteer for ALPA again, quit dividing the group with DPA and get our pilots unified.

Some would accuse you of doing management's work by dividing the group as well.

You solved the mystery! Carl is a management plant! He's only here to divide the pilot group, and secure his bonus.

That explains a lot...