Except the NPRM doesn't tell you where you have to live, only that you have to be rested and fit for duty. What you suggest may be a big issue, but it's not the relevant issue in this case.

The NPRM language is incorrectly skewed by the 3407 lobby, based on a non-related case, but the refernces to commuting are nonetheless present in the text. With Pandora's box opened, I think there is no way you successfully argue that anything that happens before you fly is only your business. If it were so, there would also be no alcohol regs.

Again, I'm not arguing any of this is good, and I disagree with the inclusion of the language, but it seems to me the most logical solution that might then work for all parties would be for pilots to be affored an option to pick up trips close to home. This isn't a case of advocating for something on my part: I prefer driving to my junior, big base, and I have no incentive to see the flying shift to satellite bases.

...+1...
Chuck

10-21-2010, 10:29 AM

#50542

orvil

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DALMD88FO

How funny? Commuting is a choice. Here is a list of former Delta bases that I can remember, not to mention the cutting at bases we currently still have.

BOS
MCO
MSY
DFW
ORD
MIA
PDX

I'm sure other Delta guys can add on. So it's real easy to say commuting is a choice, however, unless you move to ATL you are always in the crosshairs at Delta. Then the same people that complained that commuting is a choice would cry when they get bumped back to reserve because everyone moved into their base.

Don't forget IAH/HOU and SFO

10-21-2010, 10:59 AM

#50543

texavia

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What is up with this?

19 folks have got up and walked out of training recently and that of the 19 there are 4 lawsuits filed so far.

These numbers are the best info available to someone (coming off of furlough bypass) I know that did in fact get up and walk out at ATL.

Last edited by texavia; 10-21-2010 at 11:21 AM. Reason: add info

10-21-2010, 10:59 AM

#50544

Ferd149

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Quote:

Originally Posted by clipperskipper

I think that HR needs to change applications to read must be willing to relocate, and then again as we merge and close crew bases.

Unbelievable! Guess you don't have elderly parents you have to help support. Or, a laundry list of other highly personal reasons people commute.

This is me giving you a real ugly look, setting my beer quietly on the bar and walking away.

10-21-2010, 11:01 AM

#50545

80ktsClamp

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Quote:

Originally Posted by texavia

What is up with this?

19 folks have got up and walked out of training recently and that of the 19 there are 4 lawsuits filed so far.

These numbers are the best info available to someone I know that did in fact get up and walk out.

Why did said person get up and walk out? There's a lot of info missing from this statement.

10-21-2010, 11:06 AM

#50546

Flamer

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There would be a lot of unhappy people in Dallas. Most pretty senior.

Even some CPs commute.

What about the FA me too clause? Maybe they should be forced to live in base too. They need to be rested to perform emergency duties.

10-21-2010, 11:06 AM

#50547

Amish Pilot

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Quote:

Originally Posted by texavia

What are you talking about, New Hires, Recurrent training? What school house, in ATL or MSP? We need more info if want us to ask the right questions and maybe find out....

10-21-2010, 11:15 AM

#50548

dckozak

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Quote:

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

Or is it FedEx that requires you to call in from your base 9 hours prior?

For the record, FDX requires pilots who do not take a scheduled DH to check in twice via computer or phone for trips that start with a DH before a operational leg. The first time is within 48 hours of their scheduled show time (for the DH as scheduled), the second time is after arriving on station and confirming they are within 100 miles of said location. They must do the final check in within 8 hours of show time for a domestic flight or 12 hours if the operating flying is international.
If you commute into your base to operate a trip originating from such you only need to check in at show time, like a local bubba.
There is more, but it relates to online commuting into a same duty flight and stuff about being in position to rest before operating long flight segments.

10-21-2010, 11:19 AM

#50549

texavia

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Amish Pilot,

Coming off furlough bypass - ATL

10-21-2010, 11:41 AM

#50550

Nosmo King

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Quote:

Originally Posted by johnso29

If the company wants to eliminate commuting then the will pay COLA. A guy can not live as nicely in the NYC are on the same pay as a guy living in the DTW area. I think airlines will fight rules that eliminate commuting, because not allowing commuting will cost them $$$.

You guys think way too much.

Occam's razor.

The company will simply require you to check in on a company owned computer in your base xx hours prior to your departure. It won't cost them anything because it will be based on a new Federal rest requirement.

One could also argue that a new regulation like this could make it easier to implement a better Call in Honest Policy to avoid having to increase reserve staffing.

Don't count your chickens...