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10-18-2010, 12:57 PM
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Conversion Training Pay
What is the pay during conversion training?
I've read/heard ALV for lineholders or Reserve guarantee for Reserves, 3.15 per day, and 3.00 per day at payrate for the jet being converted into.
Which is it?
Thanks.
I've read/heard ALV for lineholders or Reserve guarantee for Reserves, 3.15 per day, and 3.00 per day at payrate for the jet being converted into.
Which is it?
Thanks.
10-18-2010, 12:58 PM
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So, um, where do I go to bid for golden days? I asked yesterday but I think it got swept away with all of last night/today's activity. Apologies if someone did answer and I just missed it. Thanks.
10-18-2010, 01:09 PM
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10-18-2010, 01:13 PM
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If it's a full month of training you get the ALV for your category. I'm a bottom 10% reserve guy and I was paid ALV. If it's less than a full month it gets prorated, but I'm not smart enough to explain that piece.
10-18-2010, 01:18 PM
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Once again, you don't get it. If you actually read my posts, you would understand. I've never said that the simple answer is what's needed, I've said that people who come up with complex explanations as to why simple things cannot be done are the folks that you can properly label as BS'ing. See the difference ACL? Explanations...not answers.
We need professional negotiators because line pilots who attend ALPA negotiating seminars are wrong to put up against management's professional negotiators. I would think that would be self-evident even to you. With regard to your confusion about me referring to complex answers being BS, well, if you can read and remember what I just wrote above, then maybe you won't have to ask the silly question: "Which is it."
How you can conflate the issue of professional negotiators and the value of a complex answer is beyond me. Sometimes your lack of attention to detail is shocking.
Carl
We need professional negotiators because line pilots who attend ALPA negotiating seminars are wrong to put up against management's professional negotiators. I would think that would be self-evident even to you. With regard to your confusion about me referring to complex answers being BS, well, if you can read and remember what I just wrote above, then maybe you won't have to ask the silly question: "Which is it."
How you can conflate the issue of professional negotiators and the value of a complex answer is beyond me. Sometimes your lack of attention to detail is shocking.
Carl
10-18-2010, 01:24 PM
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I don't know how NW did it but DALPA has always hired professional negotiators to help with all aspects of a new contract. We normally have a entire top labor law firm at our disposal. They go through with the pilot negotiators every step of the way from forming openers to all the counters. There are no actually table negotiations anymore. Its all done by document exchange. Table meetings are normally only to clarify paper concepts where there might be questions. Do you simply want to eliminate all pilot involvement? Not smart in my opinion because non pilots can't understand the value of some issues.
You beat me to this. If you look back to about this time last year, I was all for looking in to Professional Negotiators and then it was shown to me that, yep DALPA does that. They do not operate the way we did at my previous airline. The process was explained to me, and why there was a full time Negotiation Committee of pilots, what the benefit of pilot involvement was sans only Professional Negotiators, and why the request of Pro Negotiators had already been fully implemented here at DAL long ago. Made sense too. The talks were different. At my previous airline most contract talks were face to face.
I was able to accept the fact, that what was lacking was the explanation of how the process transpired, not what who or what was part of the process. Simply put, I asked, and was educated on the concern I had.
10-18-2010, 01:36 PM
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If the 320 comes to Atlanta, I wonder what will become of 737 staffing. The 320 is getting a lot of the flying which used to go very senior on the 737.
10-18-2010, 01:42 PM
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10-18-2010, 01:50 PM
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Someone mentioned it earlier, but how far out are the 787 orders???
I would think at least another year, but not sure if we are converting or delaying those aircraft deliveries.
I've heard the prolonged contractual delivery date of the 787s, formerly held be NWA, will translate into quite a bit in savings/incentives from Boeing eventually.
I would think at least another year, but not sure if we are converting or delaying those aircraft deliveries.
I've heard the prolonged contractual delivery date of the 787s, formerly held be NWA, will translate into quite a bit in savings/incentives from Boeing eventually.
10-18-2010, 02:23 PM
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Say what you mean, and mean what you say. And when you're wrong, admit it. Until then, you do not have my personal or professional respect. I think you do everyone a disservice.
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