Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-18-2010, 08:12 AM
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I think splash is a DPA plant, intended to act like the ALPA jackass so more people send in their cards.
If that is not the case, then the reverse must be true.
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Anyway back to the latest and greatest:
quarterly profit north of $600M
still shopping for the remaining non-saudi md-90s ($11M each with mods completed)
those 9 JAL 747-400s, not gonna do it.
Filed a change of circumstance re the LGA slot swap (since SWA has gates coming)
DTW 777 base will gain a city - rumor is bejing
767-400 going back to atl
If that is not the case, then the reverse must be true.
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Anyway back to the latest and greatest:
quarterly profit north of $600M
still shopping for the remaining non-saudi md-90s ($11M each with mods completed)
those 9 JAL 747-400s, not gonna do it.
Filed a change of circumstance re the LGA slot swap (since SWA has gates coming)
DTW 777 base will gain a city - rumor is bejing
767-400 going back to atl
10-18-2010, 08:12 AM
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I think you are correct that there is much apathy. But that is a one trick pony. ALPA still refuses to entertain the idea of webcasts. Why? I can vote a proxy to any corporation in America via the web or even telephone yet I cannot see a union meeting via that same medium. Why? Ya'll aren't gonna divulge anything all that important at any of these meetings anyway, so what's the BFD? 80% commuters in JFK and DTW yet you wonder why there isn't more participation? Look into the internet thingy. It is truly an amazing medium for contacting people. Check out YouTube sometime. ESPN.com... there are many out there that obviously you (and ALPA) have never heard of. And Carl accuses Delta of being run by the Amish.
Actually that is incorrect. ALPA is in fact trying to find a way to do webcasts that protect the rights of their pilot members who chose to express their opinions at a meeting. Anyone can tape a webcast and then use it against said pilot. Word of mouth is a little different.
One of the C44 FO reps made a really good presentation on this last March. It is not for a lack of desire. It is about securing the backend of the webcast. (You)
After talking to some at National, they are working on using ALPA TV to live broadcast LEC meeting (Non-sensitive stuff like committee reports etc) I do see this coming, but not to the point that a person can vote on TV. Again it is a verification issue. I watched some of the BOD in MIA on ALPA TV. It was cool to see that.
10-18-2010, 08:16 AM
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The official is Q1 2011, and they are stating that this 365 day conversion window bid will be huge.
Having it in early Jan give them most of the year, but they have not committed to a month only a quarter. Convention wisdom states it will be posted the first two weeks of Jan.
10-18-2010, 08:18 AM
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Nice rumors Scambo.
Lots of shifting coming up.
On the 744's maybe not the JAL birds, but that does not mean 744's in general are off the table.
Also that 748i is a really nice bird......(20% cheaper than the 744 too!)
Lots of shifting coming up.
On the 744's maybe not the JAL birds, but that does not mean 744's in general are off the table.
Also that 748i is a really nice bird......(20% cheaper than the 744 too!)
10-18-2010, 08:43 AM
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10-18-2010, 09:09 AM
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Actually that is incorrect. ALPA is in fact trying to find a way to do webcasts that protect the rights of their pilot members who chose to express their opinions at a meeting. Anyone can tape a webcast and then use it against said pilot. Word of mouth is a little different.
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10-18-2010, 09:24 AM
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Lets say that someone slanders the company (any company), states that they are an unsafe operation, badmouths the CEO, CFO, SVP, EVP etc. This all goes against the Social Media policy that Delta and other corporations have set. Then if someone takes this meeting video and posts it to You Tube and it is there for the public to see. (Even if it cannot be posted someone can take a video of the monitor and post it)
As a result the corporation takes action, and said person is not in trouble with their employer for comments made at a LEC meeting.
Do not think this is crazy. We have had people post other things to You Tube as well. Find a way to make sure that the receiving end of every user that signs on this way is secure and you deal with the problem. This is the one reason it is not happening. It is not specific to Delta. There are plenty of other ALPA pilots working for other carriers that have been fired for just speaking their mind in crew room meetings. (No I am not kidding) Now to have a tape of these comments that can be stored, not good at all imo.
I too would love to have all of the meetings played live with a service like "Go to Meetings," voting from your home etc, but as I stated we need to deal with the end user security. Most corporations know the level of security on both ends, we do not.
As a result the corporation takes action, and said person is not in trouble with their employer for comments made at a LEC meeting.
Do not think this is crazy. We have had people post other things to You Tube as well. Find a way to make sure that the receiving end of every user that signs on this way is secure and you deal with the problem. This is the one reason it is not happening. It is not specific to Delta. There are plenty of other ALPA pilots working for other carriers that have been fired for just speaking their mind in crew room meetings. (No I am not kidding) Now to have a tape of these comments that can be stored, not good at all imo.
I too would love to have all of the meetings played live with a service like "Go to Meetings," voting from your home etc, but as I stated we need to deal with the end user security. Most corporations know the level of security on both ends, we do not.
10-18-2010, 09:25 AM
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It may be crazy to you, but experience that others have had proves that the details of normal meeting make it to variety of sources, why give the opportunity of a tape of these events as well.
10-18-2010, 09:46 AM
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Interesting. I'd be curious to see the number of cards sent in so far.
All that sounds great. The transfer of representation is what concerns me the most though. If done poorly, this could have a decimating effect on, not only Delta pilots, but all union pilots (as this would effectively kill alpa-or at least turn it into an RJ only union as United would surely follow us out the door)
I'm really on the fence about whether to send in the card or not. What's the peanut gallery thinking? And why?
Are there any DPA meetings scheduled? I'd like to see some more of this before I fall on the wrong side of the fence.
All that sounds great. The transfer of representation is what concerns me the most though. If done poorly, this could have a decimating effect on, not only Delta pilots, but all union pilots (as this would effectively kill alpa-or at least turn it into an RJ only union as United would surely follow us out the door)
I'm really on the fence about whether to send in the card or not. What's the peanut gallery thinking? And why?
Are there any DPA meetings scheduled? I'd like to see some more of this before I fall on the wrong side of the fence.
My only bit of advice: People with hugely complex explanations as to why something simple and logical cannot be done, are BS'ing you.
Carl
10-18-2010, 09:57 AM
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Lets say that someone slanders the company (any company), states that they are an unsafe operation, badmouths the CEO, CFO, SVP, EVP etc. This all goes against the Social Media policy that Delta and other corporations have set. Then if someone takes this meeting video and posts it to You Tube and it is there for the public to see. (Even if it cannot be posted someone can take a video of the monitor and post it)
As a result the corporation takes action, and said person is not in trouble with their employer for comments made at a LEC meeting.
Do not think this is crazy. We have had people post other things to You Tube as well. Find a way to make sure that the receiving end of every user that signs on this way is secure and you deal with the problem. This is the one reason it is not happening. It is not specific to Delta. There are plenty of other ALPA pilots working for other carriers that have been fired for just speaking their mind in crew room meetings. (No I am not kidding) Now to have a tape of these comments that can be stored, not good at all imo.
I too would love to have all of the meetings played live with a service like "Go to Meetings," voting from your home etc, but as I stated we need to deal with the end user security. Most corporations know the level of security on both ends, we do not.
Do not think this is crazy. We have had people post other things to You Tube as well. Find a way to make sure that the receiving end of every user that signs on this way is secure and you deal with the problem. This is the one reason it is not happening. It is not specific to Delta. There are plenty of other ALPA pilots working for other carriers that have been fired for just speaking their mind in crew room meetings. (No I am not kidding) Now to have a tape of these comments that can be stored, not good at all imo.
I too would love to have all of the meetings played live with a service like "Go to Meetings," voting from your home etc, but as I stated we need to deal with the end user security. Most corporations know the level of security on both ends, we do not.
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