Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-14-2010, 08:27 PM
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A good sock hop would solve all scope issues.
I'm just trying to "think outside the box."
I'm just trying to "think outside the box."
10-14-2010, 08:47 PM
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That is a poor assumption. I know many RJ "Lifers" in their 40's that would be happy as all get out to get out of there. They were be even more for it if they knew that going to any of the majors would mean progression with no more scope sales. The true fear they have is that once again the job they take at the bottom of our list will be sold for pay, or retirement credits.
You hold or push back the limit on scope the dynamic changes and changes quickly. Many of these "lifers" would be throwing apps in without a thought in the world. Furthermore, there were plenty of guys that fell in to this category that came to DAL in the last wave. Why? Because the risk was worth the rewards, even with a CH11 contract, and even with the most recent scope sales. Thus far the gamble seems to have paid off.
I have many friends in the top 300 at a few regionals (top 20%) that will leave the second they get interviewed and hired. As for the few that state they are staying put, some mean it, but most just do not want to get furloughed in the next round. They saw too many friends back in 2001 and again in 2007 (UAL and CAL) barely finish training before they were going to Asia to find jobs.
You hold or push back the limit on scope the dynamic changes and changes quickly. Many of these "lifers" would be throwing apps in without a thought in the world. Furthermore, there were plenty of guys that fell in to this category that came to DAL in the last wave. Why? Because the risk was worth the rewards, even with a CH11 contract, and even with the most recent scope sales. Thus far the gamble seems to have paid off.
I have many friends in the top 300 at a few regionals (top 20%) that will leave the second they get interviewed and hired. As for the few that state they are staying put, some mean it, but most just do not want to get furloughed in the next round. They saw too many friends back in 2001 and again in 2007 (UAL and CAL) barely finish training before they were going to Asia to find jobs.
10-14-2010, 09:11 PM
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Whatever you do, don't consider running from the cops in Africa:
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10-15-2010, 02:15 AM
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Or better yet, maybe Chuck Norris for MEC Chairman.
(Chuck Norris doesn't Negotiate, you just comply with his demands!)
10-15-2010, 02:52 AM
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Fault - One night many yrs ago the Capt and I started talking about the B scale. Republic had one and I was on it. Said Capt stated that all us B scalers were SCABS for taking a job under such wages. I agrued that he was at fault for voting it in. I was on probation so he ranted and I listened. Very simular to the RJ issue. Does not matter who is at fault, the time has come for it to go away. UAL/CAL wanting to bring the RJ's in house is a great start.
10-15-2010, 04:26 AM
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Fault - One night many yrs ago the Capt and I started talking about the B scale. Republic had one and I was on it. Said Capt stated that all us B scalers were SCABS for taking a job under such wages. I agrued that he was at fault for voting it in. I was on probation so he ranted and I listened. Very simular to the RJ issue. Does not matter who is at fault, the time has come for it to go away. UAL/CAL wanting to bring the RJ's in house is a great start.
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10-15-2010, 05:09 AM
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I am not necessarily in favor of complete scope restoration. We all know that the money is in the 100 seat jet. We should ensure that DAL pilots fly that airplane, whenever it comes. As far as the 76 seat and below, whats done is done. If we go and make a huge stink during contract talks and try to get THAT flying back as well, management will only laugh their asses off as they sell it back to us knowing full well that they want to get rid of that aircraft when the 100 seater comes.
The cost to regain the 76 and smaller aircraft will be too great and ultimately worthless.
10-15-2010, 05:17 AM
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I am not necessarily in favor of complete scope restoration. We all know that the money is in the 100 seat jet. We should ensure that DAL pilots fly that airplane, whenever it comes. As far as the 76 seat and below, whats done is done. If we go and make a huge stink during contract talks and try to get THAT flying back as well, management will only laugh their asses off as they sell it back to us knowing full well that they want to get rid of that aircraft when the 100 seater comes.
The cost to regain the 76 and smaller aircraft will be too great and ultimately worthless.
The cost to regain the 76 and smaller aircraft will be too great and ultimately worthless.
Once the planes and jobs are outsourced they're pretty much gone which is why we cant let anymore flying go.
10-15-2010, 05:43 AM
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Carl,
I guess if I follow your logic in your arguments yesterday, it is our fault that the company got what they did out of us in bankruptcy. We should have all just quit and refused to work for the new wages...
I guess if I follow your logic in your arguments yesterday, it is our fault that the company got what they did out of us in bankruptcy. We should have all just quit and refused to work for the new wages...
10-15-2010, 06:06 AM
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Any Bets....
that the DOT will not give them to us?
Delta presents case for London slots to Boston, Miami
October 14, 2010
Delta presented its business case to the U.S. Department of Transportation Thursday that it should be awarded takeoff and landing slots to operate service between London-Heathrow and Boston and Miami.
In a government filing, Delta said it would mount the strongest competitive challenge to American Airlines and British Airways, which are required to divest some Heathrow slots under a joint venture agreement approved earlier this year. Delta would provide a flexible alternative to the American/British Airways alliance for customers in Boston and Miami.
The filing included 93 letters of support, which included endorsements from elected and community officials in Massachusetts and Florida, including the governors of both states, members Congress and the mayors of Boston and Miami, Massport, the Miami-Dade Aviation Department and customers including Fidelity Investments, Travelers Insurance and General Motors.
If approved, Delta will begin the flights in March 2011, and operate twice-daily service between Boston and Heathrow, and daily service between Miami and Heathrow.
Delta presents case for London slots to Boston, Miami
October 14, 2010
Delta presented its business case to the U.S. Department of Transportation Thursday that it should be awarded takeoff and landing slots to operate service between London-Heathrow and Boston and Miami.
In a government filing, Delta said it would mount the strongest competitive challenge to American Airlines and British Airways, which are required to divest some Heathrow slots under a joint venture agreement approved earlier this year. Delta would provide a flexible alternative to the American/British Airways alliance for customers in Boston and Miami.
The filing included 93 letters of support, which included endorsements from elected and community officials in Massachusetts and Florida, including the governors of both states, members Congress and the mayors of Boston and Miami, Massport, the Miami-Dade Aviation Department and customers including Fidelity Investments, Travelers Insurance and General Motors.
If approved, Delta will begin the flights in March 2011, and operate twice-daily service between Boston and Heathrow, and daily service between Miami and Heathrow.
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