Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-14-2010, 04:36 PM
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You should probably take a moment and listen to others once in a while. But you can't hear over yourself.
10-14-2010, 04:38 PM
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This seems to ALMOST be a "which came first, the chicken or the egg argument." EXCEPT, in this case, there would be no egg (regional jobs) if we (major airline pilots) hadn't been so chicken and laid (voted for) these crappy eggs for the regional pilots to fly.
Assignment of blame to the mainline airline pilot is way more than 50%.
Assignment of blame to the mainline airline pilot is way more than 50%.
I'll certainly accept some of the blame for helping to support the "you've got to pay your dues" game of roullete that making your way up in the civilian world is. It is self-perpetuating as long as the flying is continued to be allowed to be outsourced by the mainline groups, though.
I've said it for a long time that the wages will never come back unless we first reel in scope at mainline, and I will continue to stand by that.
10-14-2010, 04:50 PM
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Why is it that we don't talk about this?
Outsourcing of flights to regional partners is a central issue in United-Continental merger | cleveland.com
I talked to to of my buds last weekend. One was pre-United the other was pre-Continental and they didn't even know about it. I think it is a big deal. What am I missing?
Outsourcing of flights to regional partners is a central issue in United-Continental merger | cleveland.com
I talked to to of my buds last weekend. One was pre-United the other was pre-Continental and they didn't even know about it. I think it is a big deal. What am I missing?
I have to say, it is one of the most important initiatives that ALPA is undertaking now.
10-14-2010, 05:13 PM
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10-14-2010, 05:16 PM
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A little fun fact for Carl (knowing full well it won't do any good): as far as I can tell, FTB is the only DAL pilot that regularly posts on here that got hired directly from corporate, and he previously flew for Expressjet. It don't even know if the people that don't come from regionals or military make up a full 1% of newhires. (and that's why FTB is so speshul...)
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10-14-2010, 05:30 PM
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My response is to your last 10 pages worth of stuff on regional pilots. I comprehend very well where you stand on the issue. Assigning blame to everybody but yourself.
You should probably take a moment and listen to others once in a while. But you can't hear over yourself.
You should probably take a moment and listen to others once in a while. But you can't hear over yourself.
The fact that you don't recall these statements from any of my posts means that you read far too carelessly.
Carl
10-14-2010, 05:36 PM
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This seems to ALMOST be a "which came first, the chicken or the egg argument." EXCEPT, in this case, there would be no egg (regional jobs) if we (major airline pilots) hadn't been so chicken and laid (voted for) these crappy eggs for the regional pilots to fly.
Assignment of blame to the mainline airline pilot is way more than 50%.
Assignment of blame to the mainline airline pilot is way more than 50%.
Yet.
10-14-2010, 05:41 PM
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Exactly, newK.
I'll certainly accept some of the blame for helping to support the "you've got to pay your dues" game of roullete that making your way up in the civilian world is. It is self-perpetuating as long as the flying is continued to be allowed to be outsourced by the mainline groups, though.
I've said it for a long time that the wages will never come back unless we first reel in scope at mainline, and I will continue to stand by that.
I'll certainly accept some of the blame for helping to support the "you've got to pay your dues" game of roullete that making your way up in the civilian world is. It is self-perpetuating as long as the flying is continued to be allowed to be outsourced by the mainline groups, though.
I've said it for a long time that the wages will never come back unless we first reel in scope at mainline, and I will continue to stand by that.
I'm going to help your case by disagreeing with a choice of one of your words. The "you've go to pay your dues" game was not such a game of roulette for Compass pilot's was it?
Those guys/gals took that job at wages that were low, even for regional pilots, with the understanding that there was a flow through to NWA. This opportunity was given to them by NWA pilots by a aprox. 64% margin.
If anything, it was the most sure or best way for them to get to the majors. I'm sure that more than 1 in 6 of them will be flying for Delta one day. (Better odds than roulette.)
So, in my opinion, not only did we put the carrot on the stick, we helped insure they would one day be the rabbit. How we can fault anyone for taking such a good deal, I'm not sure.
The one thing that can't be disagreed with though is that if it wasn't for us, they wouldn't be there. That, I am 100% sure of.
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10-14-2010, 05:47 PM
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Well put. I don't see the point in deflecting responsibility for the problem. In fact, it would be 100% mainline if not for the fact that some of the RJ guys are getting greedy, and would like to help lower scope barriers. Still, there isn't an RJ flying pax for a major today that was "taken" by the RJ crowd. Some were coughed up, some were naively given, and some pried from us in BK, but all of them by management and none by regional pilots.
Yet.
Yet.
Carl
10-14-2010, 05:55 PM
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And just maybe a 744BCF?? I've got to believe we can find something to do with just a few of those!? Or isn't those fat 747s carrying the 787 fuselages out of CHS a contract deal? As in they, I think Evergreen?, contract with airlines to fly them? Not sure, I could easily research it but my to do list is not done and wife is 10 minutes away... HA HA!
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