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Old 10-14-2010, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
The MD-90 is a no brainer. A used 777, 744, 320, 73N would be a great deal too. No need to pay for new car smell when that new car cost as much to operate as the used one. (same jet to same jet)

I doubt you will see DAL order another 76 seat jet.
Question, would we want used 764s? According to folks at CAL they were disappointed to find the 764 had the same total operating costs as a 777.

Not sure if thats true and I'm not sure if by "total" they meant the rent cost plus doc's or just the doc's.

But I sure would like to get them anyways if they're unloading them. Sure there are strings attached to any good deal they offer us, eh?

And just maybe a 744BCF?? I've got to believe we can find something to do with just a few of those!? Or isn't those fat 747s carrying the 787 fuselages out of CHS a contract deal? As in they, I think Evergreen?, contract with airlines to fly them? Not sure, I could easily research it but my to do list is not done and wife is 10 minutes away... HA HA!

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Old 10-14-2010, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by finis72
An MD-90 is 11mil ready to carry DL pax
Even the EMB-175s, new, were about $19,000,000 each.
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Old 10-14-2010, 12:53 PM
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Dunno. I know more 764's would make the fleet more efficient. Starting next Spring they should have more than enough cities to run them to our of JFK.
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Old 10-14-2010, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
The second and third generation RJ's are more fuel efficient on a seat and stage length adjusted basis than any of our Douglas equipment except for the MD90.

Also, the company would rather fly a CRJ900 with 76 seats full than a MD90 or 73N with lower than average load factors.

Of course the CRJ 100 & 200 are up in the DC9 range on CASM.

Just advising that fuel prices will not fix our scope problem. Wishful thinking, although I am with you.

Yeah - you are right. And besides, when they do decide to fly a 73N instead of RJs it will more often than not have an Eskimo painted on the tail. You guessed it - I am an LAX 73N Pilot.

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Old 10-14-2010, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
No need to pay for new car smell when that new car cost as much to operate as the used one.
Regarding the "new car smell," just order and hang a bunch of these-just like new.

CAPTAIN CHEEKY OCEAN BREEZE AIR FRESHENER

and maybe some of these...

http://www.prankplace.com/product.as...&p=21864&c=103

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Old 10-14-2010, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by hoserpilot
You assume too much. The vast majority of regional pilots do NOT want to stay at the regionals. They would much rather gather experience and apply for a job at a major carrier.
This is the heart of the problem IMO. This makes no sense if your goal is to work at a major. Your ruining chances for growth at a major and thus your hiring potential. If you're using the regionals to build time for a corporate gig, or a freight gig, or to be super prepared for military training, then it makes perfect sense. Otherwise...it doesn't.

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The problem is that major airline pilots gave away the flying.
That's is indeed part of the problem. The OTHER part is the RJ pilots who take those jobs ONLY because they've agreed to cheaper wages. Then complain about no hiring at the majors.

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Carl, I didn't hit the lottery to get to Delta. I worked my way up through a system created over decades. This is the route civilian pilots take.
No it's not! Many pilots still do corporate, or freight, or non-scheds. Not everybody goes the RJ route if you're civilian.

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Old 10-14-2010, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by formerdal
You know Carl after listening to you spout your "I know all and the rest of you are idiots" diatribe for what feels like an eternity, I continue to be amazed that you are one of our pilots.

You have an ego and an attitude beyond anything I've experienced here at Delta. I can only hope that this is your webboard persona' and not the man in the cockpit. You make it very easy to oppose anything you are for just based on the way you conduct yourself here, if you are an example of what to expect from the DPA folks you can include me out...
Sorry to have offended you Nancy.

I did it again...didn't I.

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Old 10-14-2010, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
No it's not! Many pilots still do corporate, or freight, or non-scheds. Not everybody goes the RJ route if you're civilian. Carl
Carl I value your opinions on here because of the fact that you do have alot of experience and you have seen stuff many of us have not. However, a corporate, freight, or non-sched guy will be at a disadvantage to guys who have 121 jet flying in RJ's these days. I know guys who do interview prep courses and I know guys who do interviews at Delta. Both will agree with horsepilot that the quickest route to a major these days in through RJ flying. I don't know the numbers, but I'd bet less than 1% of pilots hired at majors come from places other than the military and RJ operators. I personally don't know any that came from freight or non-sched operators and I only know 1 that was prior corporate.

I have also never heard of anyone who went to fly an RJ so they could get super prepared for the military, not saying it hasn't happned, but I've certainly never heard of it.
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Old 10-14-2010, 02:02 PM
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That is a poor assumption. I know many RJ "Lifers" in their 40's that would be happy as all get out to get out of there. They were be even more for it if they knew that going to any of the majors would mean progression with no more scope sales. The true fear they have is that once again the job they take at the bottom of our list will be sold for pay, or retirement credits.

You hold or push back the limit on scope the dynamic changes and changes quickly. Many of these "lifers" would be throwing apps in without a thought in the world. Furthermore, there were plenty of guys that fell in to this category that came to DAL in the last wave. Why? Because the risk was worth the rewards, even with a CH11 contract, and even with the most recent scope sales. Thus far the gamble seems to have paid off.

I have many friends in the top 300 at a few regionals (top 20%) that will leave the second they get interviewed and hired. As for the few that state they are staying put, some mean it, but most just do not want to get furloughed in the next round. They saw too many friends back in 2001 and again in 2007 (UAL and CAL) barely finish training before they were going to Asia to find jobs.
You make a very good point here, and I'm willing to admit that my first post was overstating the "lifer" effect a bit. However, I still think everyone needs to understand that that element is alive and well at the regional level, and it's not insignificant. My feeling is that it is steadily growing as well.

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Old 10-14-2010, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
This is the heart of the problem IMO. This makes no sense if your goal is to work at a major. Your ruining chances for growth at a major and thus your hiring potential. If you're using the regionals to build time for a corporate gig, or a freight gig, or to be super prepared for military training, then it makes perfect sense. Otherwise...it doesn't.



That's is indeed part of the problem. The OTHER part is the RJ pilots who take those jobs ONLY because they've agreed to cheaper wages. Then complain about no hiring at the majors.



No it's not! Many pilots still do corporate, or freight, or non-scheds. Not everybody goes the RJ route if you're civilian.

Carl
Are you somehow trying to imply that becoming a regional pilot in hopes of getting hired by a major, is the root of the problem?

Again, DAL pilots gave away scope. It wasn't ALPA national and it definitely wasn't regional pilots that took it away. You have got to stop putting this ridiculous spin on the topic. With the exception of the misguided few at the RJDC, I doubt if you can find many RJ pilots who would rather be at the regional than at a major, and therefore want to "steal" your flying.

I must concur with the others, if your views on the subject are those of the DPA, then I am not interested.
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