Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-09-2010, 08:18 AM
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Bar;
Agreed, that that is where the pilot group needs to be. I am discussing a management perspective. We can try to message their view to mimic our position, but their is based on RASM and a desire no to dilute the market share out there. We may have to eventually do that, but it will be widely unprofitable for us.
Agreed, that that is where the pilot group needs to be. I am discussing a management perspective. We can try to message their view to mimic our position, but their is based on RASM and a desire no to dilute the market share out there. We may have to eventually do that, but it will be widely unprofitable for us.
We facilitate our replacement too easily because it is the easiest course of action.
Somebody please take an alarm clock to the ALPA BOD. It is like trying to wake a somnambulant teenage girl.
10-09-2010, 08:35 AM
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Any way to pick up fly during vacation days???
10-09-2010, 08:38 AM
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10-09-2010, 08:50 AM
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10-09-2010, 09:00 AM
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If you're looking to make a little extra, you can pick up an extra trip in your vacation month (just not on your vacation days) as vacation does not count against your monthly max-pickup. For example, your line is built to 85 hours with 10 days of vacation (30 hours of pay no credit.) Your credit towards the monthly limit is only 55 hours, so you have lots of room to pick up a trip or two and still be below ALV +15.
Also, if you pick something off the swap board instead of open time you can exceed your max pickup (ALV +15). If you're going to do this to get over max-pickup, be sure to do your open time pickups (WS or swap w/ pot) FIRST, then pick something up from the swap board (which again may exceed ALV +15.)
You will obviously be working most of your non-vacation days to make this happen but lots of guys make a little extra coin this way if you don't need the days off.
The only limit that would apply to the swap board pickup is your Block Hour Limit, which probably won't be an issue unless you're crediting a ton every month.
Also, if you pick something off the swap board instead of open time you can exceed your max pickup (ALV +15). If you're going to do this to get over max-pickup, be sure to do your open time pickups (WS or swap w/ pot) FIRST, then pick something up from the swap board (which again may exceed ALV +15.)
You will obviously be working most of your non-vacation days to make this happen but lots of guys make a little extra coin this way if you don't need the days off.
The only limit that would apply to the swap board pickup is your Block Hour Limit, which probably won't be an issue unless you're crediting a ton every month.
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10-09-2010, 09:14 AM
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Alternatively, we could perform our own flying. As a pilot, I would prefer to work for an airline than a travel agency.
Alaska and Delta are fairly intertwined. We provide ground handling for them. Since their staffing requirements are more stringent than ours, Station Managers complain that we shift a lot of resources to ensure Alaska's flights get out on time to the detriment of Delta flights.
IMHO we need to always keep focus on OUR operation. A problem with losing AS codeshare is that arguably, their product is preferred by our customers.
I would sure like to say "Delta is the best" and we can take that fight anyplace in the market. Who's with me?
Alaska and Delta are fairly intertwined. We provide ground handling for them. Since their staffing requirements are more stringent than ours, Station Managers complain that we shift a lot of resources to ensure Alaska's flights get out on time to the detriment of Delta flights.
IMHO we need to always keep focus on OUR operation. A problem with losing AS codeshare is that arguably, their product is preferred by our customers.
I would sure like to say "Delta is the best" and we can take that fight anyplace in the market. Who's with me?
Cheers
George
10-09-2010, 10:34 AM
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Codeshare is just market dilution by another means. The difference is we get a cut of the action and insulation from risk in exchange for market irrelevance.
We facilitate our replacement too easily because it is the easiest course of action.
Somebody please take an alarm clock to the ALPA BOD. It is like trying to wake a somnambulant teenage girl.
We facilitate our replacement too easily because it is the easiest course of action.
Somebody please take an alarm clock to the ALPA BOD. It is like trying to wake a somnambulant teenage girl.
Code share agreements are a Band Aid for companies that do not want to spend the money to buy jets, nor dilute market share to the point the RASM is not above the CASM. (Loss) I know you know that.
What would keep me up at night with the AS deal is the possibility that AMR could in fact take AS out from underneath us and as a result all of our feed to our Asian flights would evaporate. I would want that sucker nailed down very tight. I would start with a two billion dollar poison pill, but someone like SWA that desires to really put a hole in DAL's route network could always be willing to pony up the case.
That is why, as you state, owning your own flying is the best course of action. It covers our flank for our Asian feed and it keeps the market from getting diluted. These are the top reasons are why I would be more than willing to go though another SLI with the AS pilot group. In the end it would be good for the company, and good for all pilots of both groups. (Lost the feed, lots o big wide body jets on the West Coast are no longer going to need pilots to fill them. Say so long to the ER or 330 base in SEA if that feed goes away)
Let remember what the RJ's where bought to do, maintain market relevance, and they failed at that.
10-09-2010, 10:49 AM
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Bar;
Agreed, that that is where the pilot group needs to be. I am discussing a management perspective. We can try to message their view to mimic our position, but their is based on RASM and a desire no to dilute the market share out there. We may have to eventually do that, but it will be widely unprofitable for us.
Agreed, that that is where the pilot group needs to be. I am discussing a management perspective. We can try to message their view to mimic our position, but their is based on RASM and a desire no to dilute the market share out there. We may have to eventually do that, but it will be widely unprofitable for us.
They keep saying that but is a bunch of BS and as pilots we shouldn't buy into this and approve JVs that eliminate pilot jobs at Delta.
Let me be more direct:
For me this is personal because the seat and flying I was hired into at Delta LAX73N/B was permitted to be outsourced to Alaska Air by our union.
Cheers
George
10-09-2010, 11:01 AM
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LAX (2nd largest city in the US)
SAN (8th largest city in the US)
SFO (12th largest city in the US)
PDX (30th largest city in the US)
SEA (23 largest city in the US)
Delta flies one daily trip on mainline between all of these cities ONE!
Let's look at LAX SEA
The competition? Alaska, United and VA on some routes.
3 players: Alaska, UAL and VA
Currently Alaska is making a killing and its because AA and DL subsidize their flying. Look up LAX SEA for example on Kayak, youll see thge same flight operated by AK sold as a DL and AA flight.
We don't do anything like this on the East Coast and somehow are able to remain competitive
NYC (largest city in the US)
MCO (80th largest city in the US)
JFK MCO competing with Jetblue and American
LGA MCO competing with Jetblue
BOS (20th largest city in the US)
BOS MCO we have no trouble competing with JetBlue and Airtran
BDL (199th largest city in the US)
BDL MCO and compete with Southwest
And before you mention the mouse in MCO, the same mouse is in LA.
Our MEC in ATL lives in a bubble and bought into these arguments about RASM and JV and sold out the LAX based pilots plain and simple and recently one upped it to expand the Alaska codeshare to include international flying South of the border that used to be done by LAX 73N...
Cheers
George
SAN (8th largest city in the US)
SFO (12th largest city in the US)
PDX (30th largest city in the US)
SEA (23 largest city in the US)
Delta flies one daily trip on mainline between all of these cities ONE!
Let's look at LAX SEA
The competition? Alaska, United and VA on some routes.
3 players: Alaska, UAL and VA
Currently Alaska is making a killing and its because AA and DL subsidize their flying. Look up LAX SEA for example on Kayak, youll see thge same flight operated by AK sold as a DL and AA flight.
We don't do anything like this on the East Coast and somehow are able to remain competitive
NYC (largest city in the US)
MCO (80th largest city in the US)
JFK MCO competing with Jetblue and American
LGA MCO competing with Jetblue
BOS (20th largest city in the US)
BOS MCO we have no trouble competing with JetBlue and Airtran
BDL (199th largest city in the US)
BDL MCO and compete with Southwest
And before you mention the mouse in MCO, the same mouse is in LA.
Our MEC in ATL lives in a bubble and bought into these arguments about RASM and JV and sold out the LAX based pilots plain and simple and recently one upped it to expand the Alaska codeshare to include international flying South of the border that used to be done by LAX 73N...
Cheers
George
10-09-2010, 11:03 AM
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...What would keep me up at night with the AS deal is the possibility that AMR could in fact take AS out from underneath us and as a result all of our feed to our Asian flights would evaporate. I would want that sucker nailed down very tight. I would start with a two billion dollar poison pill, but someone like SWA that desires to really put a hole in DAL's route network could always be willing to pony up the case...
Cheers
George
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