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Old 10-08-2010, 08:55 AM
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No joke..... She spoke directly with him. Then ALPA was called and they spoke with the CP as well. Whole thing just seemed weird.
The best part about MD's is that its expensive, keeps you from MD'ing people all of the time and unnecessarily as the care turned out to be on the 744.
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Old 10-08-2010, 09:00 AM
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Maybe someone played a joke? That's bizarre.



We can solve the D0 time pretty easy you know. Probably won't cost much and it will give you extremely good D0 times.

Step 1: Admit pilots are turning on the beacon early anyways, so, from now on, beacon on when all doors closed.

Step 2: Memo to all ground personnel, no longer is the beacon a sign an aircraft is pushing but rather that push is pending and that the airplane is not "out". The only sign an aircraft is pushing will be the ground marshaller.

Step 3: If you have not received a message to remain at the gate until WDR is recieved, then you should push without the WDR and you will receive it within 5 minutes of the OUT time and plan taxi and ATC communications accordingly if expecting a quick taxi to takeoff. Airport specific procedures may be necessary to prevent creating congestion if WDR issue arises after push back- until SWA arrives in ATL at which point expect a memo on the 10 best ways to create ramp and taxiway congestion.
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IOW, formalize how it is actually done, so you can actually manage what you are doing. crystal frikkin clear.
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Old 10-08-2010, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
No joke..... She spoke directly with him. Then ALPA was called and they spoke with the CP as well. Whole thing just seemed weird.
Might have been some training issues but other than that, I cannot imagine nor have I heard of this happening before. Might be a misunderstanding. If DAL now does not need all of the 744 bodies due to a change in forecasting they would have to cancel the bid, or have a AE in Nov or so to cancel these out.

Overall it is just weird.
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Old 10-08-2010, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
The hard part about those charts is figuring out what they're saying.

On the narrow bodies, where do you want to be? Bottom left, top right? I think you want to be in the negatives for a competitive advantage so it looks like A321s do great, our 753 is doing good, our A319/MD80/MD90 are not.

But more importantly, our 738s costs are higher than AMR and CALs.

Or I'm reading that chart wrong.

I am guessing that these are derived from Form 41 data. Though a decent source it does not always include the whole picture.

I like the charts, and will have to spend more time on them in a few mins, but they did have some airplanes in areas that I did not expect. Overall for DAL the 744 and 753 have the lowest CASM.
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Old 10-08-2010, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Might have been some training issues but other than that, I cannot imagine nor have I heard of this happening before. Might be a misunderstanding. If DAL now does not need all of the 744 bodies due to a change in forecasting they would have to cancel the bid, or have a AE in Nov or so to cancel these out.

Overall it is just weird.
This was my impression as well..... I just wasn't sure if this was SOP or just a fluke. I am sure it was not a misunderstanding as I got my ear bent about the conversations with the CP and her union rep.
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Old 10-08-2010, 09:12 AM
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Her Rep will take care of it. Like I said, there may have been a training issue, but there are tons of guys that have gone back and forth between a MD and a reinstatement on three different jets over the last few years. I do not think cost is an issue as they would have spend it either way.
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Old 10-08-2010, 09:15 AM
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Slow once said that I now could be in charge of DALPA! But the more I've thought about it over the year or so, the more I think he was being sarcastic and making fun of me.

But flight ops manager? Well, okay, I have to start by getting tough and mean and learning, well, everything as I am severely under qualified and ineptly talented for the job.

But I'll look the part but inside know that I am crying and possibly wetting my pants.

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Old 10-08-2010, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Her Rep will take care of it. Like I said, there may have been a training issue, but there are tons of guys that have gone back and forth between a MD and a reinstatement on three different jets over the last few years. I do not think cost is an issue as they would have spend it either way.
The issue wasn't whether her rep could take care of it but rather why would a CP even be involved? As for the "cost" this was what the CP was stating to her so evidently somebody somewhere up the food chain was using this as the reason.
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Old 10-08-2010, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
The issue wasn't whether her rep could take care of it but rather why would a CP even be involved? As for the "cost" this was what the CP was stating to her so evidently somebody somewhere up the food chain was using this as the reason.
were there training issues? not justifying it, just curious as to why this would happen.
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Old 10-08-2010, 09:49 AM
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were there training issues? not justifying it, just curious as to why this would happen.
Not that I am aware of. But even if there were what difference would it make?
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