Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-06-2010, 11:09 AM
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Does anyone know how backed up the A320 school is? I was supposed to be in school for November but no word yet. I'm converted in December so I may get the holidays off if they are more than a month or two behind.
10-06-2010, 11:32 AM
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A couple of corrections. The 767-3 holds 220. The 744 will go to 370 when the lie flat seats are installed. The 330-300 has much shorter range than all the other aircraft mentioned there other than the 757, so it can't be a replacement for many of the markets served by the 777 or the 744. I don't know the range on the 777-300 but it may not be able to make some of the hops that the 777 and the 744 make today.
Further corrections: The 767-300ER holds around 220. The -300 "domestic" hold 264.
The 757-200 holds 183 or 184.
I thought the 767-400 holds more than 240... is that due to the lie-flat seat mods?
10-06-2010, 11:41 AM
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I'm in the same boat. Here's hoping for a nice middle of January training date!
10-06-2010, 12:12 PM
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Start dot connecting.......
....Alaska merger in 3, 2, 1,
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American Airlines: More to Come at LAX
By Ted Reed 10/06/10 - 12:42 PM EDT Stock quotes in this article:AMR, DAL, UAL, LUV, SKYW
LOS ANGELES (TheStreet) -- American(AMR_), implementing its hub-focused strategy, is moving to increase its presence at Los Angeles International Airport.
More on AMR
On Wednesday, the CEOs of American and partners British Airways and Iberia 0 of a new transatlantic alliance. Iberia CEO Antonio Vazquez said the carrier will begin Madrid-Los Angeles flights in April. Within the new alliance, which has anti-trust immunity on transatlantic flights, American will be able to sell tickets on Iberia's flight.
Last week, American said it applied to fly between Los Angeles and Shanghai. "For us, it was a natural," Horton said. "Los Angeles is the most important gateway to Asia, and Shanghai is an extraordinarily important world city."
It is not unreasonable to conclude that American will add domestic flights at Los Angeles in order to feed international flights, Horton acknowledged, although he declined to provide specifics.
American has pursued a strategy of focusing on markets with the highest appeal to business flyers. Arpey reiterated Wednesday that "the Oneworld goal has always been to emphasize quality over quantity and to focus on the most important cities in the world." In Los Angeles, American carries 35% of all premium passengers, the biggest share, Horton said.
LAX is a battleground for the big four U.S. carriers, which all have double digit market shares, as well as for the three global alliances. The October schedule shows Star with 485 international flights per week, Sky Team with 283 and Oneworld with 256. Many of the flights are to Mexico and Central America.
Among the big four carriers, United has 193 daily departures while partner Continental has 24. American has 120. Southwest has 115. Delta has 80.
This paragraph is for airline geeks only. Airport year-to-date stats through August show American with a 14.6% market share and American Eagle with a 1.2% market share. United(UAL_) has a 13.2% share while partner Continental has a 4.3% share. Southwest(LUV_) has 11.5%, while Delta(DAL_) has 11.1%. SkyWest(SKYW_), which flies for both Delta and United, has a 2.2% share.
-- Written by Ted Reed in Charlotte, N.C.
>to contact the writer of this article, click here: Ted Reed
Odds probably better than even now.
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American Airlines: More to Come at LAX
By Ted Reed 10/06/10 - 12:42 PM EDT Stock quotes in this article:AMR, DAL, UAL, LUV, SKYW
LOS ANGELES (TheStreet) -- American(AMR_), implementing its hub-focused strategy, is moving to increase its presence at Los Angeles International Airport.
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On Wednesday, the CEOs of American and partners British Airways and Iberia 0 of a new transatlantic alliance. Iberia CEO Antonio Vazquez said the carrier will begin Madrid-Los Angeles flights in April. Within the new alliance, which has anti-trust immunity on transatlantic flights, American will be able to sell tickets on Iberia's flight. Last week, American said it applied to fly between Los Angeles and Shanghai. "For us, it was a natural," Horton said. "Los Angeles is the most important gateway to Asia, and Shanghai is an extraordinarily important world city."
It is not unreasonable to conclude that American will add domestic flights at Los Angeles in order to feed international flights, Horton acknowledged, although he declined to provide specifics.
American has pursued a strategy of focusing on markets with the highest appeal to business flyers. Arpey reiterated Wednesday that "the Oneworld goal has always been to emphasize quality over quantity and to focus on the most important cities in the world." In Los Angeles, American carries 35% of all premium passengers, the biggest share, Horton said.
LAX is a battleground for the big four U.S. carriers, which all have double digit market shares, as well as for the three global alliances. The October schedule shows Star with 485 international flights per week, Sky Team with 283 and Oneworld with 256. Many of the flights are to Mexico and Central America.
Among the big four carriers, United has 193 daily departures while partner Continental has 24. American has 120. Southwest has 115. Delta has 80.
This paragraph is for airline geeks only. Airport year-to-date stats through August show American with a 14.6% market share and American Eagle with a 1.2% market share. United(UAL_) has a 13.2% share while partner Continental has a 4.3% share. Southwest(LUV_) has 11.5%, while Delta(DAL_) has 11.1%. SkyWest(SKYW_), which flies for both Delta and United, has a 2.2% share.
-- Written by Ted Reed in Charlotte, N.C.
>to contact the writer of this article, click here: Ted Reed
Odds probably better than even now.
10-06-2010, 12:18 PM
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Even if you put the "heavy lift" debate aside here's the hole in the ocean crossing fleet from a network standpoint:
(rounded to nearest)
757-2 170
767-3 180
767-4 240
330-2 240
777-E 270
777-L 280
330-3 300
747-4 400
The jump from the 7ER to the 767-400/A330-200 is huge at 50 seats that's why those planes shift around to "follow the sun"
but look at the jump from the 333 to the 744 that 100 seats
If a market supports about 350 sets/flight we have 2 choices:
leave 50 revenue pax behind in a 330 and loose that business opportunity
fly with 50 empty seats on the 744 and hope to make up the difference in belly cargo
we need a 350 seat aircraft to plug that hole
heck LH has A380 and A340-600 but they need the 747-8 to plug that hole in their fleet as they retire the 747-400.
777-300 will show up to plug the hole...
I'm guessing if we are increasing lift a similar number of 747-400 would be in order, especially as 747-400 are removed from the fleet to perform the seat mods...
Down the road the 787-9 will be a great aircraft and will let us retire some of the oldest 767-300ER...
Cheers
George
(rounded to nearest)
757-2 170
767-3 180
767-4 240
330-2 240
777-E 270
777-L 280
330-3 300
747-4 400
The jump from the 7ER to the 767-400/A330-200 is huge at 50 seats that's why those planes shift around to "follow the sun"
but look at the jump from the 333 to the 744 that 100 seats
If a market supports about 350 sets/flight we have 2 choices:
leave 50 revenue pax behind in a 330 and loose that business opportunity
fly with 50 empty seats on the 744 and hope to make up the difference in belly cargo
we need a 350 seat aircraft to plug that hole
heck LH has A380 and A340-600 but they need the 747-8 to plug that hole in their fleet as they retire the 747-400.
777-300 will show up to plug the hole...
I'm guessing if we are increasing lift a similar number of 747-400 would be in order, especially as 747-400 are removed from the fleet to perform the seat mods...
Down the road the 787-9 will be a great aircraft and will let us retire some of the oldest 767-300ER...
Cheers
George
I have noticed that too. We do have a seat gap, as you have pointed out. We also have a growing SkyTeam alliance that can fill that void too. That would be more hub to hub stuff and like I have said, they may opt to have the other SkyTeam partners perform that and continue with DAL operating more of the point to point stuff.
I would love to see some large lift here at DAL. I just know that there are a ton of airlines in SkyTeam and many of them have large fleets in this lift range. We do but to a lesser degree. What we would also be looking at is a 748 airframe. I do beleive that DAL will see 777-300's, maybe a few more 744's, and the 789. (Maybe some smaller jets as well for the international market)
The 789, and 350 are going to prove to be a backbones of most international fleets for airlines that perform a lot of point to point work. The impression I have from the AF/KLM/DAL JV growth to date and the ability of AF/KLM to do point to point to Europe we will be the carrier that does most of this flying in this JV.
Pacific wise, absent a Japanese entrant to SkyTeam, we will probably see increasing demand for heavy lift capability. (773,744,748)
Looking at the remainder of the SkyTeam portfolio, economic regions have a presence. For DAL pilots Asia is where an opportunity exists. Europe to the lesser degree.
10-06-2010, 12:25 PM
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AMR, nor anyone else that code shares with AS can add to their code share. It is one of the great things with this deal. We capped all of these code shares at current levels. We can grow ours, but if an alliance like OneWorld wanted JAL to fly to PDX with greater frequency, AS could not provide one more seat of feed.
10-06-2010, 12:45 PM
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You're right, my bad...I was in the wrong column on that one.
Adding range as an element makes my point stonger, then we need to compare the 777 to the 744 and the gap widens from 100 to 120 going from 777-200LR to 744...
FWIW considering range the real comparison will be 777-200ER to 747-400 so the gap will remain 270 vs 370 exactly 100 seats...
The 77-200LR is unique in its really long legs for ultra long haul...
777-200ER and 777-300ER are almost the same with the 777-300ER having a 200NM range advantage over the 777-200ER...
Since you wanna compare range equivalent aircraft the 300ER will fit in nicely:
330-200 240 7250NM
777-200ER 270 7725NM
777-300ER 310 7930NM
747-400ER 370 7670NM
Cheers
George
FWIW considering range the real comparison will be 777-200ER to 747-400 so the gap will remain 270 vs 370 exactly 100 seats...
The 77-200LR is unique in its really long legs for ultra long haul...
Since you wanna compare range equivalent aircraft the 300ER will fit in nicely:
330-200 240 7250NM
777-200ER 270 7725NM
777-300ER 310 7930NM
747-400ER 370 7670NM
Cheers
George
10-06-2010, 12:50 PM
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Well, I know a newhire who started class on August 16th & he is still waiting for sims.
10-06-2010, 12:53 PM
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I would love to see some large lift here at DAL. I just know that there are a ton of airlines in SkyTeam and many of them have large fleets in this lift range. We do but to a lesser degree. What we would also be looking at is a 748 airframe. I do beleive that DAL will see 777-300's, maybe a few more 744's, and the 789. (Maybe some smaller jets as well for the international market)
The 789, and 350 are going to prove to be a backbones of most international fleets for airlines that perform a lot of point to point work. The impression I have from the AF/KLM/DAL JV growth to date and the ability of AF/KLM to do point to point to Europe we will be the carrier that does most of this flying in this JV.
Pacific wise, absent a Japanese entrant to SkyTeam, we will probably see increasing demand for heavy lift capability. (773,744,748)
Looking at the remainder of the SkyTeam portfolio, economic regions have a presence. For DAL pilots Asia is where an opportunity exists. Europe to the lesser degree.
The 789, and 350 are going to prove to be a backbones of most international fleets for airlines that perform a lot of point to point work. The impression I have from the AF/KLM/DAL JV growth to date and the ability of AF/KLM to do point to point to Europe we will be the carrier that does most of this flying in this JV.
Pacific wise, absent a Japanese entrant to SkyTeam, we will probably see increasing demand for heavy lift capability. (773,744,748)
Looking at the remainder of the SkyTeam portfolio, economic regions have a presence. For DAL pilots Asia is where an opportunity exists. Europe to the lesser degree.
The big deal is that Network has a big portfolio of jets to rightsize for each AC and Market, this is an unbelievable opportunity going forward that will give DAL a leg up on our stregthening domestic competitors.
This is nothing new though
LH and AF pioneered the diverse fleet concepts with both flying nearly every jet made by Boeing and Airbus with a few exceptions.
Leaving Cargo/Pax behind is a revenue opportunity lost.
Flying a jet with 30% empty seats or not fully loaded with cargo is not sustainable long term...
I wouldn't be surprised to see the 747-8i in Delta colors down the road
Cheers
George
10-06-2010, 12:58 PM
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....Alaska merger in 3, 2, 1,
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Odds probably better than even now.
Good to see AMR focus on LAX, maybe DAL mgmt will start to notice us out here in "Alaska Feed" country...
VA mgrs flocking to Spirit as well.
I'm getting the popcorn...
Cheers
George
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