Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-01-2010, 04:58 AM
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FRONTLINE: flying cheap: interviews: gordon bethune | PBS
Really? You think $16,000 a year as a starting salary for a first officer is enough?
Can I tell you how they get to that, just so that the public knows? Every three or four years, there's contract negotiations between labor groups and the company. The company says: "We can afford to pay this much money. This is total dollars. How would you like to allocate it?" The union who's negotiating on behalf of its members allocates that money in a way that can get ratified by the vote of the pilots. You know who's not there? The people you haven't hired yet. You know who always gets left, because the captain wants $2 more? And everybody says, "Well, you know, my first year we didn't get paid anything either, so tough **** for them." ... The reason it's $16,000 a year is because that union wanted that money somewhere else, and that's the way it works.
It's the union's fault.
Well, you only get so much money. How much would you like to allocate?...
Since new hires don't vote ... .
This act displays a failure of ALPA leadership to grasp the basic concept that their power is a direct function of the number of pilots they represent and the percentage of flying they control. They arrogantly assume they will always be a relevant majority until ... oooops.
Interest based bargaining just threw fuel on that fire. The unrepresented pilots got sold. The junior First Officers were told to divert their wrath to the regional pilots (who were not at the table). Some are just now beginning to wake up and realize what they were in bed with.
One theory floating around ALPA National was to take control of Section 1 back from the MEC and NC to avoid the long term damage to our union caused by outsourcing.
10-01-2010, 05:08 AM
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A rite of passage is a ritual event that marks a person's progress from one status to another. It is a universal phenomenon which can show anthropologists what social hierarchies, values and beliefs are important in specific cultures.
Rites of passage are often ceremonies surrounding events such as other milestones within puberty, coming of age, marriage, flying Douglas jets and death. Initiation ceremonies such as baptism, confirmation, bar or bat Mitzvah and "wing ceremonies" are considered important rites of passage for people of their respective religions.
Like most Rites of Passage, flying a Douglas jet is miserable at the time, but is remembered fondly. After all, your greatest life long humiliation serves as others' momentary amusement. Flying a Douglas jet for 500 hours will provide you with enough experiences and stories to make conversation during the next 30 years flying Boeing equipment.
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10-01-2010, 05:37 AM
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WOW, Richard has been busy.
WOW, Richard has been busy. Some info on Director Memberships:
EXECUTIVE PROFILE*
Richard H. Anderson
Chief Executive Officer and Director, Delta Air Lines Inc.
Age 54
Total Annual Compensation $600,000 USD
This person is connected to 155 board members in 8 different organizations across 12 different industries.
BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEMBERSHIPS*
Independent Director
Cargill, Incorporated
Director
Minnesota Life Insurance Company
Director
Business Leaders for Michigan
Director
Greater Twin Cities United Way
1999-Present
Former Director
MAIR Holdings Inc.
2001-2005
Former Chief Executive Officer, Director, Chairman of Safety & Security Committee, Chairman of Finance Committee, Member of People Committee, Chief Executive Officer of Northwest Airlines Inc and Director of Northwest Airlines Holding Corp
Northwest Airlines Corp.
2002-Present
Independent Director, Chairman of Compensation Committee, Member of Nominating Sub Committee and Member of Corporate Governance Committee
Medtronic, Inc.
2002-Present
Director
Medtronic MiniMed, Inc.
2004-2006
Former Director and Member of Audit Committee
Xcel Energy Inc.
2007-Present
Chief Executive Officer and Director
Delta Air Lines Inc.
2009-Present
Director
Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta
EXECUTIVE PROFILE*
Richard H. Anderson
Chief Executive Officer and Director, Delta Air Lines Inc.
Age 54
Total Annual Compensation $600,000 USD
This person is connected to 155 board members in 8 different organizations across 12 different industries.
BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEMBERSHIPS*
Independent Director
Cargill, Incorporated
Director
Minnesota Life Insurance Company
Director
Business Leaders for Michigan
Director
Greater Twin Cities United Way
1999-Present
Former Director
MAIR Holdings Inc.
2001-2005
Former Chief Executive Officer, Director, Chairman of Safety & Security Committee, Chairman of Finance Committee, Member of People Committee, Chief Executive Officer of Northwest Airlines Inc and Director of Northwest Airlines Holding Corp
Northwest Airlines Corp.
2002-Present
Independent Director, Chairman of Compensation Committee, Member of Nominating Sub Committee and Member of Corporate Governance Committee
Medtronic, Inc.
2002-Present
Director
Medtronic MiniMed, Inc.
2004-2006
Former Director and Member of Audit Committee
Xcel Energy Inc.
2007-Present
Chief Executive Officer and Director
Delta Air Lines Inc.
2009-Present
Director
Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta
10-01-2010, 06:15 AM
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10-01-2010, 06:26 AM
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aaahhhhh, uuuuummmmm, I resemble that...eh. BTW, how many southies know that the NHL's regular season starts Oct. 7th?? Ok, me and the guy whose wife is on the Thrashers Blue Crew.
ps. thats not his wife.....
10-01-2010, 06:27 AM
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10-01-2010, 06:31 AM
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10-01-2010, 06:41 AM
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FRONTLINE: flying cheap: interviews: gordon bethune | PBS
Really? You think $16,000 a year as a starting salary for a first officer is enough?
Can I tell you how they get to that, just so that the public knows? Every three or four years, there's contract negotiations between labor groups and the company. The company says: "We can afford to pay this much money. This is total dollars. How would you like to allocate it?"
Well, you only get so much money. How much would you like to allocate? Would you like to have every pilot get $2 less than ours so we could pay the first-year people this much, or would you rather have the $2 an hour in your paycheck and let the first-year people go probationary as they are, like every other, and you were? And that's what they elect to do. ...
There is good and bad to this type of negotiation. Positive is you know the value of the contract up front, the negative is you can be killed by a thousand paper cuts.
It is IBB style where the total value is determined but we get killed on the costing of each item. I would be careful about what you wish for. The corporation love this style because the work takes place on the other side of the table and they can then just argue that the cost assigned to each item it not correct.
It is IBB style where the total value is determined but we get killed on the costing of each item. I would be careful about what you wish for. The corporation love this style because the work takes place on the other side of the table and they can then just argue that the cost assigned to each item it not correct.
10-01-2010, 07:03 AM
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10-01-2010, 07:10 AM
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