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09-30-2010, 10:44 AM
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I don't think sick time useage changed when we had a legit Call in Honest policy at NWA. It is about time that DAL has a workable program for the commuters. Look at all the base/seat changes, RJ's on mainline routes and overnight internet sales that sell any open seats overnight on your flight to work. The "me too" clause should not be an issue with the flight attendants (if it even exists) since they have bases in so many cities that the pilot don't. Seems like a win/win for the company and our pilots.
09-30-2010, 10:44 AM
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To me, it would be unreal if that is not changed in C2012. Since many of you are on this site are FNWA JR pilots who are effected by this I'd be curious to hear what your LEC reps have said about it when it comes up to the next contract.
But lets be clear, it shouldn't have happened.
But lets be clear, it shouldn't have happened.
FTB,
It will be fixed by 2012, because in 2012 we will all be on the same DC contribution scale. The 180 fNWA guys will effectively "catch up" in that year to everyone else (including newhires) with a 3% bump as PG pointed out.
No disrespect meant towards TOGA LK, as I have a few pet issues that I would like addressed, but to me this isn't a battle worth fighting. I'm looking more big picture for 2012 to get a big bump in all contract sections for ALL DELTA PILOTS.
09-30-2010, 10:50 AM
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I used to wonder about you, but I just don't anymore.
You know better than this... people tend to follow the big airplanes. How (of course that is assuming the big IF on thte merger in the first place) that SLI works out will be critical to our seniority progression over our careers.
You know better than this... people tend to follow the big airplanes. How (of course that is assuming the big IF on thte merger in the first place) that SLI works out will be critical to our seniority progression over our careers.
09-30-2010, 11:00 AM
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Let's see....
As a Former North Pilot, I'm having trouble keeping track of the many reasons why we are so poor at this whole "merge" thing. Let me see if I can get all of them:
1.) We call in sick too much.
2.) We don't single engine taxi enough.
3.) We leave too many APU"s running at the gate.
4.) We complain too much.
5.) We don't follow established procedures enough.
6.) We overfly MSP too much.
7.) We take all the good "South" flying.
8.) We move into all the good "South" bases.
9.) We leave you all the horrible bases to fly out of.
10.) "Our" flight attendants are mean to you and the customers.
11.) We are too distrustful of management.
12.) We are too distrustful of our union leaders.
13.) We are not patient enough in waiting for change (for anything).
14.) Our negotiators invented the term "super premium widebody flying"
These above reasons are all fine and dandy, but can someone tell me when I can stop being a North pilot, and when I become a Delta pilot?
New K Now
As a Former North Pilot, I'm having trouble keeping track of the many reasons why we are so poor at this whole "merge" thing. Let me see if I can get all of them:
1.) We call in sick too much.
2.) We don't single engine taxi enough.
3.) We leave too many APU"s running at the gate.
4.) We complain too much.
5.) We don't follow established procedures enough.
6.) We overfly MSP too much.
7.) We take all the good "South" flying.
8.) We move into all the good "South" bases.
9.) We leave you all the horrible bases to fly out of.
10.) "Our" flight attendants are mean to you and the customers.
11.) We are too distrustful of management.
12.) We are too distrustful of our union leaders.
13.) We are not patient enough in waiting for change (for anything).
14.) Our negotiators invented the term "super premium widebody flying"
These above reasons are all fine and dandy, but can someone tell me when I can stop being a North pilot, and when I become a Delta pilot?
New K Now
1. It's cold up north NYC guys are sick more too.
2. Tell Carl to man up. Do you really need more than one engine on a 744?
3. Frozen power cords up north. They are thawed out down south.
4. You are pilots, we all complain. If we had completely new procedures and manuals we'd complain about them. We don't so we complain about bases and flying.
5. 1,001 new procedures all trained via e-mail and CBT. I'd say it's going well.
6. I do too. Usually from SFO to NYC.
7. No, you take some Africa flying also.
8. If just a few more of you move, I'll hold a line in DTW or MSP. Or maybe DC9A.
9. Nope, you took NYC also. Probably more than ATL.
10. Not at all, but keep the rumor alive. I'll tell my fNWA FA story in the next post.
11. As it should be.
12. As it should be.
13. T h i n g s m o v e s l o w e r d o w n s o u t h. We haven't made the technology leap yet.
14. OK, that was funny. It'll be funny for years.
You are Delta pilots and have been from day one.
09-30-2010, 11:21 AM
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OK, here's the fNWA FA story.
After flying a couple rotations with fNWA FAs from EWR to AMS, I didn't see what the big deal was about. The FAs were great and really took care of us up front.
A month or two later I flew a four day domestic trip with a fNWA CA. He told me how much nicer the fDAL FAs were than the fNWA crews and that they really seemed to go out of their way. I mentioned that I'd had the opposite experience, where the fNWA FAs were providing great service. We determined that if FAs were from the "other" side pre-merger they would try harder to make a good impression.
So.... If we had fNWA FAs, I'd introduce myself first and they assumed we were both fDAL pilots. If we had fDAL FAs, the captain would introduce himself first and they assumed we were fNWA pilots. The service was great the first three days. On day four I introduced myself to the fDAL crew on leg one and he introduced himself to the fNWA crew on the second leg. The service was below average on both legs.
As a side note when I found out I was flying four days with a North LCA, I was apprehensive. It turned out he was a great guy like 99% of the pilots here. He would even taxi on ONE engine.
After flying a couple rotations with fNWA FAs from EWR to AMS, I didn't see what the big deal was about. The FAs were great and really took care of us up front.
A month or two later I flew a four day domestic trip with a fNWA CA. He told me how much nicer the fDAL FAs were than the fNWA crews and that they really seemed to go out of their way. I mentioned that I'd had the opposite experience, where the fNWA FAs were providing great service. We determined that if FAs were from the "other" side pre-merger they would try harder to make a good impression.
So.... If we had fNWA FAs, I'd introduce myself first and they assumed we were both fDAL pilots. If we had fDAL FAs, the captain would introduce himself first and they assumed we were fNWA pilots. The service was great the first three days. On day four I introduced myself to the fDAL crew on leg one and he introduced himself to the fNWA crew on the second leg. The service was below average on both legs.
As a side note when I found out I was flying four days with a North LCA, I was apprehensive. It turned out he was a great guy like 99% of the pilots here. He would even taxi on ONE engine.
09-30-2010, 11:57 AM
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09-30-2010, 12:28 PM
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09-30-2010, 12:36 PM
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Ferd said FNWA 757 pilots call in sick more often because they're over sexed.
I'll just take his word for it.
I'll just take his word for it.
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09-30-2010, 02:20 PM
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I used to wonder about you, but I just don't anymore.
You know better than this... people tend to follow the big airplanes. How (of course that is assuming the big IF on thte merger in the first place) that SLI works out will be critical to our seniority progression over our careers.
You know better than this... people tend to follow the big airplanes. How (of course that is assuming the big IF on thte merger in the first place) that SLI works out will be critical to our seniority progression over our careers.
09-30-2010, 02:24 PM
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That SLI, if it ever happened, would be HUGE to anyone at DAL that wants any kind of career progression!! I don't care how many retirements either side will have it will be imperative to get the max amount of credit for career progression (ie a/c types/heavies) as possible.
Hoping it never comes to that.....
Hoping it never comes to that.....
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