Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-25-2010, 08:27 PM
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Didn't think I had to spell it out for you but...
Couldn't be that some guys are migrating north to be more senior could it? Nah. That would make me a speculator trying to come off as factual...kinda like you!
Trust you? OK. With evidence like that, how could I have ever questioned you.
Carl
Couldn't be that some guys are migrating north to be more senior could it? Nah. That would make me a speculator trying to come off as factual...kinda like you!
Trust you? OK. With evidence like that, how could I have ever questioned you.
Carl
You want fact, here are some facts:
I'm a June 2001 fDAL hire. I've lost approx 50% in the list in LA on the 73 B since the merger. Was around the 40% and am now holding about 90%. What's happening most lately is a lot of senior guys, most of them fNWA, are bidding in. In fact, on this last AE three fNWA guys came in on top of the list and are now #1, #3, and #5. So the flow is definitely not all going north, at least not on the west coast. In fact, its going south slowly but surely. I don't know if these guys live out here or commute, time will tell. Because commuting to the 73 in LA can be a ***** covering LAX, ONT and SNA. A lot of our trips are not commuter friendly so we'll see how it plays out. Those of us that actually live here have it much easier.
09-25-2010, 08:29 PM
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I'm a June 2001 fDAL hire. I've lost approx 50% in the list in LA on the 73 B since the merger. Was around the 40% and am now holding about 90%. What's happening most lately is a lot of senior guys, most of them fNWA, are bidding in. In fact, on this last AE three fNWA guys came in on top of the list and are now #1, #3, and #5. So the flow is definitely not all going north, at least not on the west coast. In fact, its going south slowly but surely. I don't know if these guys live out here or commute, time will tell. Because commuting to the 73 in LA can be a ***** covering LAX, ONT and SNA. A lot of our trips are not commuter friendly so we'll see how it plays out. Those of us that actually live here have it much easier.
I have also been moving steadily backwards in the LAX 73N Category. As to people commuting to LAX it is tough if you are junior, but if you are in single digits you can pretty much pick your trips.
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09-25-2010, 08:32 PM
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09-25-2010, 08:44 PM
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Note the period.
As to ATL, I think a lot of people are moving down but its for a different reason, like you said, if AT started do flying like AS does out west, heads would explode and rightfully so.
I just hope the current plan is not the future plan. Thats more hope than objective look.
09-25-2010, 08:44 PM
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09-25-2010, 08:56 PM
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The future must be navigated very very carefully. Every code share, alliance, etc etc must be looked at with a huge microscope for a long time. It's possible to focus on the short term effects and miss the long term effects. Usually it's the long term effects that end up killing you. How much flying will go to our skyteam partners in the future?????? How much flying would have went to JAL if that had happened??? Is the union of the belief that more RJ flying is better for DAL or more alliance flying is better??? As far as AS, they are reaping the bigger gains form us in our code share hands down. Just ask Buzz. The fine line of what is best for DAL and what is best for DAL pilots may not always be in concert. Our union will have to walk a fine line if it really watches out for our best interest because there are going to be those times where what is best for DAL is in direct conflict of what is best for the pilot group. Hopefully things turn out the best for us. We must pay close attention.
09-25-2010, 09:31 PM
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Quit cherry picking Carl. That's my job.
You want fact, here are some facts:
I'm a June 2001 fDAL hire. I've lost approx 50% in the list in LA on the 73 B since the merger. Was around the 40% and am now holding about 90%. What's happening most lately is a lot of senior guys, most of them fNWA, are bidding in. In fact, on this last AE three fNWA guys came in on top of the list and are now #1, #3, and #5. So the flow is definitely not all going north, at least not on the west coast. In fact, its going south slowly but surely. I don't know if these guys live out here or commute, time will tell. Because commuting to the 73 in LA can be a ***** covering LAX, ONT and SNA. A lot of our trips are not commuter friendly so we'll see how it plays out. Those of us that actually live here have it much easier.
You want fact, here are some facts:
I'm a June 2001 fDAL hire. I've lost approx 50% in the list in LA on the 73 B since the merger. Was around the 40% and am now holding about 90%. What's happening most lately is a lot of senior guys, most of them fNWA, are bidding in. In fact, on this last AE three fNWA guys came in on top of the list and are now #1, #3, and #5. So the flow is definitely not all going north, at least not on the west coast. In fact, its going south slowly but surely. I don't know if these guys live out here or commute, time will tell. Because commuting to the 73 in LA can be a ***** covering LAX, ONT and SNA. A lot of our trips are not commuter friendly so we'll see how it plays out. Those of us that actually live here have it much easier.
There are quite a few of us 07/08 hire that would give a nut just to base back to LAX. When LAX73N opened in 07, and subsequently the displacements started kicking in, out of 45 FO, about 10 of us were displaced to SLC, and now most of us scattered somewhere in SLC/MSP/NYC/CVG...
I doubt i'll fly out of LAX anytime soon, at the very best I'll probably be a junior lineholder on the mini bus in SLC. C'est la vie...
09-25-2010, 09:33 PM
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Forgive me, I'm enjoying the ASU game- well, enjoying the close ups , but as to LAX: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo....main/4937344/
Remember how we've talked about DAL's rightful disdain for airliners.net and employees posting stuff that shouldn't be posted, well, keep that in mind when you read this.
, but as to LAX: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo....main/4937344/Remember how we've talked about DAL's rightful disdain for airliners.net and employees posting stuff that shouldn't be posted, well, keep that in mind when you read this.
09-25-2010, 09:48 PM
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Although pilot costs are fixed in the near term, they'll become variable when management decides to rationalize capacity by retiring aircraft and not filling vacancies as pilots retire. Although fares are variable, management has less control in setting them these days as internet driven sales has put more power with the consumer, who are more likely to vote with their feet when they select which airline they'd rather fly.
Like organized labor, I dislike management from taking large bonuses. I do like the idea of shareholders setting performance based pay supplements for both management and line employees.
In the next set of CBA talks I'd like to see both pilots and management find ways to improve quality of life and reduce costs. I'm a fan of Allegiant because they control their costs having all their flying as day trips not requiring overnights stays on the road. Would you like to fly for DAL and get to sleep in your own bed every night if you drove DC9s and M88s? This would require pilot bases to be diversified beyond the current hubs or allow pilots to port where they begin and end their trips like WestJet.
For example I think that HNL would be a decent place for a pilot base for the 744, 330 and 7ER.
Like organized labor, I dislike management from taking large bonuses. I do like the idea of shareholders setting performance based pay supplements for both management and line employees.
In the next set of CBA talks I'd like to see both pilots and management find ways to improve quality of life and reduce costs. I'm a fan of Allegiant because they control their costs having all their flying as day trips not requiring overnights stays on the road. Would you like to fly for DAL and get to sleep in your own bed every night if you drove DC9s and M88s? This would require pilot bases to be diversified beyond the current hubs or allow pilots to port where they begin and end their trips like WestJet.
For example I think that HNL would be a decent place for a pilot base for the 744, 330 and 7ER.
09-25-2010, 10:50 PM
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Nobody's mentioned it yet that I've seen.................what happened to Texas Super????
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