Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-14-2010, 10:01 PM
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Yes, its true. Buzz and I agree on something.
09-14-2010, 10:41 PM
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Do you think if I donate my old 8086 machine then the bids might get done earlier?
For all you young folk (ACL) an 8086 was a computer chip whose first generation was derived to run a drill press. You may know it's younger offspring as the Gazillion Core Intel. I think I could fly the bid request to Japan on a 12 day trip, leave them with an elderly Japanese lady with an abacus, fly back with the results, faster than Delta's super "Tiger Direct" clearance compute used to process these bids.
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For all you young folk (ACL) an 8086 was a computer chip whose first generation was derived to run a drill press. You may know it's younger offspring as the Gazillion Core Intel. I think I could fly the bid request to Japan on a 12 day trip, leave them with an elderly Japanese lady with an abacus, fly back with the results, faster than Delta's super "Tiger Direct" clearance compute used to process these bids.
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09-15-2010, 12:20 AM
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Actually, I'll one up you by saying I have had computers that ran the 8088 and CP/M and MS-DOS 2.0 (wasn't ready to trust 1.0). The 8086 was a full 16 bit version of the 8088. Also, it ran at 5 Mhz (5000 hz) with 64K (64,000 bytes of ram) and two 5.25" floppy disks. Just thought I'd date myself a little.
On another note. Here's the downside of flying international: It is 1am and I'm brewing beer. Yea I know, you guys are saying "I can't believe Bigdaddie drinks beer!" I've got a Hefe and Pale Ale flowing on tap and now I'm making a Light Pils (Ala Miller Light) for the rest of the summer days (it is still in the 90s in central Cal). Next on the list is a Stout for winter. This is the best hobby ever. Hold on, time to add more hops.
Anyone know Freddie in NRT (hotel sports bartender)? Paging greens keeper Carl. Carl, hey Carl. I want to make sure he didn't get fired after we had a few on my last 67hr layover.
Cheers,
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09-15-2010, 12:29 AM
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99 times out of 100, it is because there was some misinformation or misunderstanding out amongst the pilots. Probably some chief pilot(s) called in and said "Hey my guys are confused about this." They delay the bid to get more info out to ensure that everyone gets to "bid what they want and want what they bid." Mostly, the black helicopter theories are all wrong. If they were going to make any substantive changes going forward, they would pull the bid and issue another one, they have that right.
Quite true. That does happen from time to time. Either way, I got my AE and MD prefs in.
09-15-2010, 02:10 AM
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You are rolling your eyes... but I think Frog's point is somewhat valid. Why is it that the aforementioned fNWA bases were rolled over without a rebid while the SLC base is a COMPLETE rebid? Because there is some mythical international flying that might now/someday originate in SLC????? This seems to me to be a goose/gander case if I ever saw one. Why should the one way check valve only work when adding domestic time to an international category and not the other way around? As someone pointed out (was it Frog?) Give 'em a TOE.. and call it good. I'll be happy to go to SLC on TDY and fly TOEs there. 
But.... I SMELL CONCESSION HERE..... A bunch of dudes in SLC are fixing to get boned, in order to streamline something which does not yet exist. It's wrong.
Spin it any way you like.
But.... I SMELL CONCESSION HERE..... A bunch of dudes in SLC are fixing to get boned, in order to streamline something which does not yet exist. It's wrong.Spin it any way you like.
09-15-2010, 02:15 AM
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09-15-2010, 02:18 AM
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09-15-2010, 03:44 AM
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You are rolling your eyes... but I think Frog's point is somewhat valid. Why is it that the aforementioned fNWA bases were rolled over without a rebid while the SLC base is a COMPLETE rebid? Because there is some mythical international flying that might now/someday originate in SLC????? This seems to me to be a goose/gander case if I ever saw one. Why should the one way check valve only work when adding domestic time to an international category and not the other way around? As someone pointed out (was it Frog?) Give 'em a TOE.. and call it good. I'll be happy to go to SLC on TDY and fly TOEs there. But.... I SMELL CONCESSION HERE..... A bunch of dudes in SLC are fixing to get boned, in order to streamline something which does not yet exist. It's wrong.
Spin it any way you like.
But.... I SMELL CONCESSION HERE..... A bunch of dudes in SLC are fixing to get boned, in order to streamline something which does not yet exist. It's wrong.Spin it any way you like.
I don't see why you feel this is wrong. The two NWA bases on the 757 did some international flying. They were flying both transoceanic and the Narita flying. The transition agreement was that they would be 7ER bases. Had they been brought over as 767 bases they would not have been allowed to fly trips they had flown pre merger. That was the proper way to handle those bases.
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09-15-2010, 03:49 AM
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It is looking like the new rules will increase manning on the international flights. There is some concern the company could try and fly all 4 day trips to Europe but that would be fought contractually. More then likely however the company would not go that route because it would allow more two man flying but would have very narrow duty margins and they would have a lot more cancellations.
09-15-2010, 03:58 AM
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It is looking like the new rules will increase manning on the international flights. There is some concern the company could try and fly all 4 day trips to Europe but that would be fought contractually. More then likely however the company would not go that route because it would allow more two man flying but would have very narrow duty margins and they would have a lot more cancellations.
After finishing the document this morning, I tend to agree with you. They will be able to reset your base with a 36 hr layo or 72 hrs intra theater if those so choose, but the margins for delay out of Europe will be razor thin. Add a delay in the US and a Euro Control delay for NAT spacing and the flights would not go. I think this is why they layered the new rigs in 117.
The Dinner and a movie turns may be gone, but overall domestic manning will go way up. Reserves needed will go up, overall block time for pilots will go down. It will most certainly be harder to pick up a WS or GS with the max duty rolling windows, and that all equates to more bodies in each seat to cover the block hrs.
Of course there is always a chance that these rules will be tweaked in the final ruling, and we will end up with something less restrictive. The opposite may happen too.
I see more efficient use of pilot duty hrs with the hard and fast rolling limits on duty. Less three hr sits and more flying while on duty. We may sit more at hotels, but that is ok. It will allow us the ability to work and work efficiently.
I would like them to define ULH and 12+ hr flying in this new FAR (117) and not some other document.
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