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Old 09-09-2010, 05:26 PM
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Look at the 19May10 AE awards on DeltaNet.
There are some examples. CVG7ER closed. SEA7ER opened new.
Here are 3 guys that MD'd to the new category.


Awarded Cat============================== Previous Cat
SEA7ERCAPT 0333856 Name redacted-- 03492 M CVG7ERCAPT
SEA7ERCAPT 0938722 Name redacted-- 02242 M CVG7ERCAPT
SEA7ERCAPT 0872798 Name redacted-- 01535 M CVG7ERCAPT



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Old 09-09-2010, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Okay, I'll give you that you might be able to displace into the category BUT a new category with no one in it WILL be awarded in senority order whether it is by AE or any displacement. How's that!
100% correct. The SLC 767 guys will get it via an MD if their seniority can hold it and everyone else will get it with an AE if their seniority can hold it. Lots of confusion over an issue we have seen twice in the last two bids.
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Old 09-09-2010, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Sorry for the controversy. My lips were moving!!

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No controversy. This stuff is complex and confusing.
Like PG said -- call the office to get the real answer.

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Old 09-09-2010, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Ferd149
Hey Denny, I'm not either. Do we have to put in ANYTHING? Or just a one entry AE with where we are at now?

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Ferd,

If you do not want to bid anything for an AE and stay put, do not put in anything. I always have a MD in place just in case. I've never had it used when I didn't know that I was going to get displaced but it's just a catchall. As others stated earlier, when you are awarded something on a bid, all your preferences are deleted (including VD/MD preferences.

Sorry I don't know the answer to your other question other than to say "to be on the safe side I'd take the whole thing." But I don't know for sure.

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Old 09-09-2010, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
No controversy. This stuff is complex.
Like PG said -- call the office to get the real answer.

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I'm blamin' it on Mad Cow!! Yeah.......Yeah! That's the ticket......mad cow..... Thank Gawd Alan is there to bail me out again!!!

I'm where I'm going to be for the forseeable (sp?) future anyway. Unless I get displaced.......

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Old 09-09-2010, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Sorry I don't know the answer to your other question other than to say "to be on the safe side I'd take the whole thing." But I don't know for sure.Denny
Ok, cool. No AE and an MD back to MSP or SEA, perfect.

Yeah, what I'm think'en too. Plus, if I take it, maybe they'll want me to do a Saipan

Just trying to not take it home or through security to the bag room after the DH home. Like I said, just being lazy
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Old 09-09-2010, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
I hear you guys but I'm willing to bet it turns out differently. You've seen many more AEs than me so I may be naive but here is why I disagree:

1)I'm fairly junior and I got into SLC on the last AE.

2)DALS pilots tend to over value DALS products and bases compared to how DALN pilots actually feel. That being said, your perception that its going to create a North wave is a little off. Yall said that about ATL and that never materialized, more the opposite.

3)Senior North pilots can already hold the ER or better(330/744) in SEA/MSP/DTW. Basically they would have to bid down to go to SLC. I really don't see it, especially with all the openings.

I may be way off base but we will see in a few weeks.
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Old 09-09-2010, 06:08 PM
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AE's suck. That is all.








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Old 09-09-2010, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
I'd bet my left one that you can Denny.
I'll try to find more proof.



Normally true. But NOT for new categories.
New categories go in straight seniority order. AEs, MDs and VDs are equal.
I displaced into the 73N in LAX when the 764 closed. The 73N was a new catagory. For what it's worth....

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Old 09-09-2010, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Atlanta has seen a large reduction in pilots since the merger.
Yes...with some of the ATL positions moving to JFK and other fNWA bases.

Originally Posted by sailingfun
There have been on vacancies for former NW pilots to bid on.
And lots of vacancies for fDAL pilots to bid on in fNWA bases. Don't get the significance of your statement.

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It appears to be very clear that when everything shakes out the junior bases are going to be MSP and DTW. I thought NYC would be a bottom feeder also but its going much more senior since the merger.
Nobody knows that until all the shaking out gets shaken out. NYC going more senior than some thought may have something to do with the fact that 777 and 765 positions went from ATL to JFK.

What I see so far is the fNWA "waves" into fDAL bases either haven't happened or have been equally offset by "waves" of fDAL guys flowing into fNWA bases and aircraft. All good stuff in my book.

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